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The result was keep but IMHO this does not make the notability issues go away. Maybe the possibility of a listification or a merger should be explored ... just an editorial suggestion.  Sandstein  17:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Naming of Qantas aircraft

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This article fails

Диалог 13:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment Unfortunately, none of the articles referenced 1) give notability to the subject in question and 2) are anything but trivial mentions. The Courier Mail article is about the A380, not the naming of the aircraft. The Daily Telegraph article is on the commercial use of Aboriginal culture to sell products, not on Nalanji or Wunala. The
Диалог 01:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment: Why do you think all those newspapers named the aircraft? Obviously the newspapers thought that the public wants to know. The newspapers could easily have omitted that information, if they thought nobody wants to know.--Lester 03:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST). --Canley (talk) 03:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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My fancruft comment is my opinion; it is my opinion it is fancruft; as much as most Pokemon articles are fancruft (with no apologies to Pokemon fans); there is probably good reason that
Диалог 04:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment The Perth Yellow Pages is verifiable, easily done by ringing each and every number contained therein, however, we have various things that we do and don't cover. We don't list the entire contents of the Perth Yellow Pages because
Диалог 12:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment It isn't, and I would quite like to see an article on Aeroflot's fleet or naming scheme, and would support its creation and upkeep if you were to create such an article. --Canley (talk) 10:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article is quite well-referenced (the quality of the references isn't an issue that should be resolved by deletion of the article), so I have a problem with deleting it. I think there's plenty of room for improvement that can move it away from being strictly a list. As Qantas (QANTAS) is one of the oldest airlines in the world it would seem proper to have an article on a fleet history that is probably the most diverse and extensive of any other airline that has ever existed, especially since the airline's fleet has had names for 80+ years. I am also fairly certain that the only consensus on Airline fleets reached by
    WP:AIRLINES is that airline registration tables are not notable. NcSchu(Talk) 12:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment
    WP:N
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If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable.
In regards to this article, we no doubt have independent, reliable sources for some of this information, however, there is not significant coverage, again from
WP:N
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"Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive.
There are no sources which address Naming of Qantas aircraft directly in detail; there is no notability. Whilst there is apparently a book which gives the names of aircraft up until the 1970s, this should be used in the main article as an inline citation for prose, not split out into a separate list for reasons of space (as I said, the solution to cruft is to delete it, not create a separate article for it), particularly when the article subject is not notable. Refer to
Диалог 13:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment I note that a Google Books Search for 'Qantas aircraft names' brings up several good resources regarding Qantas aircraft history, a few of which have tables of early aircraft names. I'm sure different searches might bring up different and more broad results. But it seems clear to me that Qantas's fleet has the history necessary to warrant this article. NcSchu(Talk) 14:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment And how many of those sources discuss Naming of Qantas aircraft in great detail in anything than just in passing? Google hits and the like are great at times, however, in this case it simply picks up different sources which discuss in only a trivial manner. --
Диалог 12:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Quite a few, surprisingly. NcSchu(Talk) 15:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Sorry I cant see anything notable about the naming scheme or the individual aircraft that cant be a one-liner in the Qantas article. I know it is not an
    excuse but most major airlines have a naming scheme, none of them particularly notable. MilborneOne (talk) 21:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment How about because it lacks notability, which is not backed up by multiple, non-trivial, reliable sources? In addition to concensus on
Диалог 10:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Comment The article is about a hole in the side of a Qantas aircraft, not about Naming of Qantas aircraft, and of course that article is indicative of why this is at AfD in the first place, because the mentions are trivial and not substantial.
  • Keep I consider the information notable as I was looking for information on Qantas aircraft naming. When I got to the page I was shocked to discover it has been nominated for deletion. Robert Brockway (talk) 01:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If you consider the information notable, is there anything to back the opinion up with multiple, non-trivial, reliable sources which discuss the naming of aircraft in substantial detail? --
Диалог 01:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep but rename this is a list so suggest List of Qantas aircraft, include date it entered the fleet(if known) type, name, links to event articles, images. Qantas aircraft have been extensively involve in Australian history and some of the individual planes or groups of planes(aka Catalinas and C-class flying boats) have notability in their own right. Like this sourcing while you say its trivial for the naming actual Россавиа agrees it asserts notability for the aircraft Courier Mail article is about the A380. As per WP:LIST Lists are commonly used in Wikipedia to organize information. Lists may be found within the body of a prose article, or as a stand-alone article.. Gnangarra 10:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't agree that article gives any degree of notability to the issue of the names of aircraft in Qantas fleet; it merely asserts verifiability that the A380 will be operated by Qantas, it can be used as an inline citation in the main article for the entry into service of the A380, but for naming of individual aircraft as a whole, it is trivial. As to a list of aircraft, if it includes details on every single aircraft (registrations, names, etc), then it is clearly going against concensus which
Диалог 11:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply
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