Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New York Rangers vs. Hartford Whalers

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New York Rangers vs. Hartford Whalers

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The two teams played one another yearly but so do other teams. No proof this was a rivalry or a notable one. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all. Not a single one of these is an actual rivalry, either past or present. Merely two teams that play in the same league. Resolute 18:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @WilliamJE: - can you add New York Rangers vs. Buffalo Sabres as well? It merits deletion for the same reason. Resolute 18:39, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Resolute:Done....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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      Sabbatino: I nominated the other Ranger articles and added them to this AFD. The Toronto talk page I nominated for speedy deletion because it had no article. The Toronto Blue Jays opponents article I nominated for deletion but separately. It can be found here[1]....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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Delete all as per nom. Mr. C.C.
Hey yo!_{I didn't do it!} 02:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Completely trivial and incomplete articles. –
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Delete all as per nom. 🔯 Sir Joseph ^🍸(talk) 14:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete some, keep some - Most of these "rivalries" are trivial, per the nom. But others are not. To say that the Rangers and Bruins never had a genuine rivalry shows ignorance of the teams' histories at least throughout the 70s and perhaps early 80s, when they met in the Stanley Cup finals once and in the late rounds of the playoffs other times, there were controversial trades between the teams, and the rivalry got so intense it spilled into a fight between players and fans in the stands. Beyond that, the statement that "the two teams played one another yearly but so do other teams" is nonsensical, since the Bruins and Rangers are both original 6 teams that for 40 years played each other more than a dozen times a year, plus potential playoff meetings, including another Stanley Cup final. I don't think the rivalry between the Canadiens and Rangers has been as intense over the years, but these are also teams that have played each other for 90 years, including 40 during the 6 team era, and have many playoff series and at least one Stanley Cup final. I am more on the fence with the Penguins; the Rangers and Penguins have been division rivals on and off and during the early 90s in particular the rivalry became quite intense. So I would say keep Bruins and Canadiens, possibly keep Penguins, and delete the rest. Of course my keep votes are contingent on these articles being improved - they are sketches now but they are brand new so they deserve an opportunty to be expanded. Rlendog (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all unless significant work is done that establishes the notability of any of these as "rivalries". The
WP:ONUS is on the author (or anyone wanting to keep these as articles) to find those sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:37, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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- See below. Rlendog (talk) 21:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Remember the rivalry existing isn't enough. It has to be written about in depth in multiple sources like any other subject. This is the case for very few rivalries. -DJSasso (talk) 17:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, but Rangers-Bruins rivalry has been. Here a whole book about the 1970s portion of the rivalry. Here is article about the rivalry from the New York Times. Here is a short article describing a portion of the history of this rivalry. Here is another article that discusses the history of Rangers-Bruins with some depth, with quotes such as "There have been times, however, when this rivalry was red-hot" and "During the late ’60s and into the ’70s, the rivalry was renewed in full." And notability is not temporary. Here is an article discussing Rangers-Bruins as one of the Rangers' best rivalries (Canadiens and Penguins are also here, not very surprisingly). Here is another article with some information about the Rangers-Bruins rivalry in the context of the overall Boston/New York sports rivalry. There is a lot more in depth coverage of this rivalry than that between the vast majority of pairs of teams. Even if this isn't enough (and I think it is more than enough), there is no way this should be discussed in the same context of non-entities such as Rangere-Mighty Ducks or Rangers-Whalers. Obviously the article needs improvement but since it only was created a few days ago there should be time for that before deleting. Rlendog (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. About the only one that 'might' pass as a noteworthy rivalry, is the Rangers/Penguins. But even that doesn't compare to the write ups on Rangers/Islanders. GoodDay (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I realize it's a blog, but this site regards the Bruins as the Rangers' 4th biggest rivalry, behind the obvious Islanders, Flyers and Devils and actually 1 ahead of the Penguins. Rlendog (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bleacherreport is not a

WP:RS. I never use it....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Fine. But the multiple sources I listed in my reply to DJSasso are all RSes, and just the ones that were easily found on the first few Google pages. Since the most intense portions of the rivalry were prior to the internet, there are likely far more than that out there. Rlendog (talk) 12:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Searching a little further on the internet, this book goes on for several pages on the Rangers-Bruins rivalry in the early 1970s. The end of this article has several paragraphs on their rivalry in the late 1930s/early 1940s. This article does add a tremendous amount but does breifly describe the teams "Old Rivalry" prior to that. Rlendog (talk) 12:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And this book couches the Brad Park-Bobby Orr rivalry within the context of the 1970s Rangers-Bruins rivalry. I can't see into this book but the Google search snippet says "To increase interest in the Park-Orr comparison, the Rangers and the Bruins established a bitter rivalry in the early 1970's. Their games were high-strung and frantic, often laced with fights and tough checking by both teams. When they met in ..." so there is clearly some information about that rivalry here, albeit hard to determine how much. this book states that this rivalry "had reached a fever pitch and got even steamier after Park decideed to write his autobiography" and continues for a few paragraphs discussing the rivalry, including the trade of Park to Boston (and also indicates that Park's autobiography contains relevant information to this rivalry. Sure a blog is not a reliable source, but I only used that as a piece that explicitly compared the Rangers-Bruins rivalry to the Rangers-Penguins. Dismissing the blog does not address the actual evidence from reliable sources that the Bruins-Rangers rivalry is notable. 12:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

FWIW, I'm fine with removing the Bruins-Rangers article from the nomination, but some work needs to be done with it, clearly, or it should be deleted as empty. Rlendog, the creator is clearly a newer user. Perhaps you could use this article to show them a good way to edit and make a rivalry article viable? Reso lute 22:46, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That makes a lot of sense. This would be a good oportunity to help teach a new user. And if the article continues to remain essentially empty, then I agree it would be appropriate to delete, albeit as an empty article, not because the topic is non-notable. Rlendog (talk) 23:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah those are my thoughts as well. -DJSasso (talk) 11:03, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all -- non notable trivia and fancruft. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given the links to coverage I provided, what is your basis for the claim that the Rangers-Bruins rivalry is "non-notable trivia"? Rlendog (talk) 16:12, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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