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Reviewed as a part of new article review process. No indication of wp:notability. No sources except for "stats only" sources. As a result there is no real coverage or even description of what the topic is. Appears to be about a now-defunct political division. North8000 (talk) 11:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Creator is currently blocked.North8000 (talk) 19:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 11:45, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 11:45, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• CommentThere is indication of notability. Every assembly seat in Indian states tends to have a page devoted to it. This page lists results of 5-6 elections in which more than 100,000 voters vote. Yes, the seat is now defunct. Just as Soviet Russia is now not existing. Historical data is found on many a page on wiki. The page should very much stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.33.215.51 (talk) 14:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As the above commenter said, Indian legislative seats all have articles (even if they are only stubs). Why delete this one? I agree with the above contributor. I-82-I | TALK 20:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The big problem is that due to no sources there's no article text that even says what this is. In your two posts you've written more than the article contains. Nowhere does it say that the geographic unit is a state. It's not even clear that the topic is an assembly....it talks about it being a "constituency". Why don't you write a few sentences in the article? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:18, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The article does say what it is, namely a former constituency of the lower house of Karnataka's legislative assembly. There were a few grammar errors and a lack of Wikilinks, and I have copyedited it a little for clarity. --bonadea contributions talk 21:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: State assembly constituencies in India do get a lot of coverage during elections. I don't see any reason to dispute its notability. As it was last contested in 2004, gathering online English-language sources may be difficult. -- Ab207 (talk) 07:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Could somebody could write or fix a couple sentences to clarify what the topic of the article is? If so, that could qualify it as a keep even without sources. Is this article about an assembly? Is there a named geographic area / politically defined area that it covered? Does the assembly itself have a name or is it simply the assembly for a named geographic / politically area? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @North8000: Its an electoral district, like say Massachusetts House of Representatives' 1st Barnstable district. I made a few changes but looks like it may need further improvement. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'm starting to decode this. I thought that, being in English, that "Vidhana Sabha" was a proper noun referring to something specific. Upon further exploration I learned that it is the Indian language term for "assembly". It's beginning to look like this article just needs a lot of work, including translating it's title into English. North8000 (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@North8000: Agreed, there should have been a better title. At this point, there is no consensus about how to name electoral districts in India -- Ab207 (talk) 09:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - legislative constituencies don't need notability. --Soman (talk) 01:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep/withdraw Folks have added enough to at least say what the article is about. The title should be translated to English, particularly the "Vidhana Sabha" to "assembly". One that would clear it all up would be "Karnataka (Parasgad assembly electoral district) .North8000 (talk) 21:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively, you could have googled "Vidhana Sabha" before bringing this to AfD. Whilst "Legislative Assembly" is more common in English, "Vidhan Sabha" is used in English as well, see for example [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] --Soman (talk) 22:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What you are saying an implying is not accurate in several respects. There is no policy or guideline that says that this "does not need notability". Perhaps you are referring to the SNG's which defines specific attributes the get presumed notability/ presumed sourcing. But the closest thing in there to this is that individuals serving on national assemblies get that pass. Nothing in there about "all assemblies" much less all election districts of all assemblies. Which leaves this with

wp:gng as the only official route]] And this has no gng-suitable coverage, which is the main problem. I tend to let the borderline articles pass, but at AFD time this was such a mess, lacking even the most basic statements that it was unclear what this is really about. The translation of that term was only a small part of the problem. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I'm sorry, but it does seem as if you did not take the time to try to check what the article was about – for instance, above you claim that Nowhere does it say that the geographic unit is a state, but if you look at the article at the time it was nominated, while it was not written in perfect English, the information was all there: a constituency of Vidhana Sabha (which can't simply be translated to "assembly", since it is a specific term referring to the State Legislative Assembly in an Indian state) in Karnataka state. "assembly constituencies" was indeed a confusing phrase, but it is better not to focus too much on that kind of detail. To change the title to "Karnataka (Parasgad assembly electoral district)" would be inaccurate since the topic is not Karnataka state, but the electoral district Parasgad, and "assembly electoral district" would not be sufficiently specific. If you believe that the title is problematic, you would need to address that at a different venue – as it is, this article title conforms to all the others in Template:Assembly constituencies of Karnataka (not getting into the "Vidhan/Vidhana" distinction here since I don't actually speak Kannada). That it "does not need notability" is, I agree, a confusing statement, but I believe the point is that electoral district on the state level are presumed to be notable. --bonadea contributions talk 12:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated it due to lack of sources. And nothing in the mess and lack of sources indicated the possibility of a pass under SNG's. I don't believe that "electoral district on the state level are presumed to be notable." exists anywhere. If so, where did you get it from? And, yes, for a topic that fails both GNG and SNG, no clear text, and no sources, where the only possibility left is bending the rules to pass it, I didn't do a lot of further decoding and research work to see if I could come up with enough to bend the rules.North8000 (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But either way, thanks for everyone to the info and improving / clarifying the article. North8000 (talk) 17:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Information on Legislative assembly constituencies are definitely needed. I will add few more resources to the Article.Vijeth N Bharadwaj 08:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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