Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Freeman (musician)
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 14:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Peter Freeman (musician)
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Non-notable musician. Only got attention for his work on the album The Vertical Collection with Jon Hassell. There are no RS in the article: only the two interviews give any biographical informations, and they almost all come from his own month. One of the interviews is done alongside Hassell. The other interview is in a non-notable publication and notes that his work with Hassell as his main contribution to the musical world. The interviewer also says she spoke to Freeman before, for an article on Hassel's work. That article doesn't mention Freeman at all.
Freeman died six month ago, but I didn't find this being reported in any RS. You can only see his death being reported on content farm websites.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the Mottezen (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)]
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the Mottezen (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)]
Delete I agree with the nomination this guy really has not made any significant contribution to music. He does not have any awards or anything. Does not pass
Keep and improve I disagree with both the proposer and the first response above. The history of early electronic music and the people who contributed to it is not very well documented, but the scope of Freeman's contributions shown in the filmography is both impressive and interesting. It is easy for some Wikipedians to say "non-notable" and simply scrapping this on the basis of "I couldn't find any sources so there must be none" for a new article is one of the banes of the Wikipedia. This isn't a vanity article; the subject is dead. The proposer asserts that a publication is "non-notable" but that again is just an assertion. Yes, the article needs more citations. The right thing to do is to flag the article for improvement, not for summery deletion. -- Evertype·✆ 19:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Keep and improve per Evertype above. To declare my
]- The music he was involved in was pretty niche in the first place, but there are interviews dating back over a decade. Here's one ("he likes to stay behind the scenes and not be noticed [..] for the last 17 years has been the bass player and sound manipulator behind Jon Hassell") that's on blogspot, which doesn't meet WP:RS on the surface, until you see that it's Hans Stoeve, who ran a world music radio program on 2SER for many years. Ndeya Records, Jon's own label, referred to him as "A close musical collaborator with Jon Hassell for over 25 years". Much of this is obscure, especially for someone who's not just a musician, but a mixing engineer, producer and sound creator. There's so much focus on charts musicians and rockstars that are in popular genres and hug the limelight, but there's way more to music than just that - Alison ❤ 01:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)]
- "[... both Peter and guitarist Rick Cox could be thought of as Jon's go to sonic cinematographers [...] They are both such creative and giving creatures and great sounding boards for Jon's directorial vision"] - ]
Keep and improve as per Evertype, it seems a disservice to a niche topic area and someone who from their discography and collaborations was high profile/prolific in their music genre to just slap a deletion tag on it. His name makes searching efficiently online slightly challenging without doing more serious amounts of due diligence. Smirkybec (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Keep and improve as per Evertype and Smirkybec, et al. Niche musicians may not get the kind of traditional coverage that mainstream musicians get but that doesn't diminish their contributions and so we need to broaden our definition of what is a reliable source to accommodate this - in 2021, blogs by notable commentators have to be looked at differently than how we looked at blogs ten years ago. Yes, let's try to improve this piece with more and "better" sources, but deleting it is utterly uncalled for. Tvoz/talk 21:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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