Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political views of Javier Milei

Add links
Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Keep

Political views of Javier Milei, Delete Political positions of Javier Milei, then move "Views" to "Positions" page title Liz Read! Talk! 07:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Political views of Javier Milei

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination
)
Political positions of Javier Milei (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – edits since nomination
(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Two articles about the same sub-topic,

Political views of Javier Milei, exist. Which, if any, of them should be replaced by a redirect to which target? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

The 2 articles should be deleted because they are totally unnecessary, repetitive and one of the articles, the one that the user Pedantic Aristotle tries to impose, is openly biased and has no neutrality, as the user Gobonobo points out. Javier Milei original article already addresses his opinions and political positions in a very extensive, complete and profound way. Piertosiri (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2023 (UTC) — Piertosiri (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
If there is any content disagreement, this can be discussed in the article talk page. This is a starting point for an article, it is not supposed to be a final version. As I don't know which parts you are believe are biased, it's difficult to comment, except that the content is derived from the main article, and simply lists the factual and sourced information found there.
Feel free to point out any part of this article that is not correctly representing sourced facts. There are many things that can be improved, but as a start, I did not want to diverge the content too far from the original content in the main article. For reference, this is the state of the main article when this article was created;
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javier_Milei&oldid=1173745892 Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep "views", delete "positions", and then move from "views" to "positions" (for consistency, we use "positions" for politicians, as in
    just add them, no need for so much drama. Even a copypaste from main to fork may be acceptable if we move just specific passages, like those of whatever view is currently missing. Cambalachero (talk) 01:37, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    Agreed. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 09:41, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify per Wow's suggestion, but support any outcome that results in a balanced article.
As it stands, the 'political views' spinoff article violates
NPOV by glossing over or failing to mention sourced content from the main article. Several positions that are described in detail in the parent article are conspicuously absent from the 'views' fork, including his rejection of sex education in schools, plans to abolish the Ministry of Women, and support for the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory. All of these are covered in detail in the 'political positions' section of Milei's article, but go totally unmentioned in the fork. Similarly, climate change is not mentioned even once in the fork, despite the fact that he denies its existence, calling it a socialist lie.[1][2]
The brief mentions of dollarization and abortion in the case of rape seem to gloss over the subjects and an there is an in-article note about linking to the COVID controversy rather than any elaboration on the topic.
The imbalance also extends to framing and terminology, with lack of context and soft pedalling both being concerns. There is a stable consensus in the main article to describe Milei as "
right-wing libertarian". While these terms are present both in the lead and at the beginning of the political views section of the parent article, their use is avoided in the fork. After the 'views' draft was first rejected at AfC, suggestions were made for improving the balance, but no changes were made. Since the beginning of September, the 'views' article has gone almost completely unchanged with the exception of an attempt by an IP to mention climate change that was reverted
.
We're less than 3 weeks out from a presidential run-off here in Argentina. If we're going to have a fork, let's be sure that it deals with the topic fairly and proportionately. gobonobo + c 23:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi
Political views of Javier Milei, which the user Pedantic Aristotle intends to impose, is openly biased and has absolutely no neutrality. It does not reflect the original article. And if there is any of the 2 articles that should remain, it is the article Political positions of Javier Milei because it is the most complete, reliable, recognized and neutral. However, I still think that an article of this type for this political figure is totally unnecessary, repetitive and that the 2 articles should be deleted. The original article already addresses in a very complete, extensive and profound way the views and political positions of this Argentine politician. Piertosiri (talk) 11:27, 1 November 2023 (UTC) — Piertosiri (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply
]
WP:AVOIDYOU Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 21:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
There's a discussion at AFC here, and the criteria is quite relaxed: if the topic is notable, the article has a decent size (as in, more than just a small stub) and there are no urgent problems such as copyright violations, then it is approved. Cambalachero (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the article should be discussed in its talk page. There has been no discussion there even after multiple requests for comments, and we should avoid
disruptive editing
.
The article is a new article, there is no requirement for it to contain what the main article contains, regardless its based nearly entirely on the main article, but stripped down to contain only factual political views. Thats a good starting point. I can't find any parts of the main article that contains what you mention, that would be suitable for a political positions article in its current form, but if you feel something is missing, feel free to propose changes, and make your argument for them. I would also propose to check guidelines for biographies
WP:BLP
, I have read them carefully.
This page is however an AfD discussion, and it seems like most wants to delete the POVFORK positions article, and move views to positions. After that we can continue improving Wikipedia, rather than waste everyones time. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "views", delete "positions", and then move from "views" to "positions". Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 21:47, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "views", delete "positions", and then move from "views" to "positions".
The "views" article was initially approved by @
WP:STONEWALLING. The main article does not have consensus for its content, there has been discussions of a larger cleanup since August/September, but these improvements were delayed due to the protection that was added to the article. The creation of this "views" article was discussed by several editors already at that time, which was supposed to be the first step in the clean-up. It would now be a good time to proceed with improving Wikipedia, rather than continuing to promote and encourage disruptive editing for political gains. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 02:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Political_views_of_Javier_Milei&oldid=1185829184"