Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roll Wit It

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The result was delete \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roll Wit It

Another "Marc Mysterio" song. Charts listed either aren't sourceable or aren't notable:I can't find a single decent link showing that "futuremusiccharts.nl" is a notable chart site. Fails

WP:NSONGS, but efforts to redirect the article have been thwarted. —Kww(talk) 02:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Note to closing admin: Due to an error on my part, the notice wasn't linked to until June 4. You may consider extending the period until June 11, if necessary.—Kww(talk) 17:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Bad sources, bad charts, no notability. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 03:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

keep - FMC CHART IS NOTABLE... Secondly, The Canadian National Dance Chart compiled by ZIP DJ is the only national dance chart and official for Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.53.228 (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just as on the other article, I'll request evidence. Who considers the FMC charts to be notable? What evidence do you have that they are? Who considers "ZIP DJ" to be an official Canadian chart?—Kww(talk) 00:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: zipDJ Charts - For those who do not know, zipDJ is Canada's foremost secure digital delivery service designed with the 4 major labels to distribute current promotional music from industry labels to professionals in the music industry. Not only is zipDJ sanctioned by the Canadian music industry, but it is also licensed by the AVLA (Audio & Visual Licensing Agency), a copyright collective to whom zipDJ pays royalties. zipDJ compiles Canada's national Club, Dance and Urban charts, which are compiled weekly. Both the Major and Independent labels in Canada use these charts to gauge their marketing and promotion efforts in the genres of Dance and Urban music. The zipDJ charts are sent out on behalf of the country to other agencies around the world, most notably M.I.S.,(Music Information Services) in Germany, which specializes in chart-related research for the global entertainment industries. Anyone doubting the information supplied herein may contact zipDJ directly or visit the website at zipdj.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinunger (talk • contribs) 02:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a few links: somebody outside of zipdj.com that points to ZipDJ as being a notable source of information and rankings. A Google search for sites that link to zipdj.com yields one link, not a very impressive list. Searching for ZipDJ as text yields blogs, message boards, and the like, but precious little in the way of reliable sourcing.—Kww(talk) 04:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A specific discussion about ZipDJ has been started at WT:Record charts#ZipDJ.—Kww(talk) 10:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, let me point out a second reason this song article should be kept (in addition to the 3 chartings in Canada, Netherlands & Ukraine).

Under wiki project songs:

Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable.

What I note is that "ROLL WIT IT" has been played by all the largest djs in the world on their radio shows as well, including:

Judge Jules (BBC R1), Roger Sanchez, Stonebridge, Martin Solveig, Bad Boy Bill, just to name a few. That plus the chartings...

I can provide source links if necessary, however, it fits the bill that "Roll Wit It" has been "performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups" AND is therefore notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.85.29 (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Playing the song is not the same as covering the song.—Kww(talk) 05:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per same reasons stated above by Kww and TPH. - eo (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WIKI TERMS STATE 'PERFORM' AS IN PERFORM LIVE... NOT COVER...

I am surprised no one has responded to the ZIP DJ comments above:

RE: zipDJ Charts - For those who do not know, zipDJ is Canada's foremost secure digital delivery service designed with the 4 major labels to distribute current promotional music from industry labels to professionals in the music industry. Not only is zipDJ sanctioned by the Canadian music industry, but it is also licensed by the AVLA (Audio & Visual Licensing Agency), a copyright collective to whom zipDJ pays royalties. zipDJ compiles Canada's national Club, Dance and Urban charts, which are compiled weekly. Both the Major and Independent labels in Canada use these charts to gauge their marketing and promotion efforts in the genres of Dance and Urban music. The zipDJ charts are sent out on behalf of the country to other agencies around the world, most notably M.I.S.,(Music Information Services) in Germany, which specializes in chart-related research for the global entertainment industries. Anyone doubting the information supplied herein may contact zipDJ directly or visit the website at zipdj.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinunger (talk • contribs) 02:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.130.104 (talk) [reply]

I did respond, and asked for sources. None were provided.—Kww(talk) 21:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... It appears that post came from kevin unger, the compiler of the chart of the zip dj chart..

dug a lil deeped...

We all know Deep Dish -- right???

Deep Dish notes that "Say Hello" went to #1 on the Canadian National Club Chart here on their own web site:

http://www.deepdish.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=document.home&sectionId=17&id=95

this site references Kevin Unger (of Zip DJ) as the compiler of the Canadian Chart http://www.tobydabrit.com/music/ncc.html

and then has the same kevin unger/zip dj chart as listed by deep dish on their site:

http://www.tobydabrit.com/music/ncc/2005/110105.html

Hence, you have your answer. Zip DJ is a respected chart in the industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.130.104 (talk) 18:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do have my answer: there are no reliable sources referring to ZipDJ. You really need to review

WP:RS to understand what people are asking for when we ask you for sources.—Kww(talk) 19:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Hi, I didn't write this article and don't care anymore at this point... None of you are in the music business and simply want to cause drama..

Its the fucking chart, as was the Ukrainian Chart... You are not in the business and therefore have no right to offer commentary on what's legit and what is not.

good luck

and stick this up your ass as well Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources (online and paper) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.141.3 (talk) 22:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fritzpoll (talk) 08:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO BLOODY SAY? PEOPLE SUCH AS THE ABOVE KWW EDITOR KNOW NOTHING OF THE MUSIC BUSINESS AND JUST WANT TO ATTACK THIS ARTIST...

IM THROUGH... FUCK THIS WEB SITE IF THIS ARTICLE IS DELETED SINCE IT IS BEING DOEN SO BY PEOPLE WHOM HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT OR THE INDUSTRY.. I DONT HAVE TIME TO DEBATE THIS NONSENSE...

Delete no evidence futuremusiccharts.nl is a real national music chart. Zipdj charts appear to be about distribution of promotional material and not about sales. No other indication of notability. Duffbeerforme (talk) 13:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. And suggest blocks for some of the editors. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Duffbeerforme.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 17:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zip dj charts are the national club charts of canada... put another way, which songs receive the most support in clubs.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.130.104 (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per everyone above. Drmies (talk) 21:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.