Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rua Farme de Amoedo

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The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:26, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rua Farme de Amoedo

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Not quite sure if the street meets notability for

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. This is about what is asserted to be the "gay street" of Rio de Janeiro. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frei Caneca Street, about what was asserted to be the corresponding street in Sao Paulo. Both AFDs assert few sources found beyond what's listed in the articles, without criticising those sources, so it seems like an incomplete argument for deletion. It was pointed out in the other AFD that these are equivalent to Christopher Street and Polk Street in New York. I tend to believe the assertions in the articles, and the assertions in the other article have been further supported when User:Oakshade got around to researching it. Given the deletion nominator turns out to have failed to find available sources there, i figure similar sources are likely to be available here too. --Doncram (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Well the source in the article seem to say the street won some kind of award. I certainly never heard of The Voice, but it seem to be one of those internet news websites. The other reference is to http://www.ipanema.com/, which look as some kind of travel page. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 22:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike Frei Caneca Street, the foreign language Wikipedia articles for this entry also lacks references. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. "The Voice" source is not some random new website, it is The Village Voice, of New York City, which is awardwinning as a newspaper and, according to its Wikipedia article dates from 1955 and was the first "alternative newsweekly." I didn't know of its author, but that is Michael Musto, a journalist. That said, the Village Voice article doesn't even name Rue Farme de Amoedo, it just includes flat designation of "Best Gay Beach International" to be Rio de Janeiro. The beachside avenue along Ipanema beach there is Avenida Vieira Souto; Rua Farme de Amoedo is perpendicular, presumably at the gay section of the beach, yeah that is what the ipanema.com source says, covering what it calls "Farme Gay Beach". Includes mention "After the beach, many gays and lesbians stop for a beer or snack at Bar Bofetada, on Rua Farme de Amoedo." Search on "Farme Gay Beach" yields more sources such as this guide.

So try also (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. I don't know what is the Portuguese language name for the beach section which might yield better results.

Anyhow it seems the beach section and the street are a significant gay tourist destination imho. The article can be broadened to cover the beach section too. --Doncram (talk) 21:16, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Google scholar search on Farme Gay Beach yields " No place on Earth does Carnival like Rio!": a feminist critique of racial democracy through the analysis of transnational tourism, a Towson University thesis which I can't read but sounds relevant and would appear to be a reliable source. --Doncram (talk) 21:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC) The thesis does mention the beach as a significant gay landmark in Rio but doesn't provide much more. --Doncram (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rua Farme de Amoedo is the source of the "Farme" in "Farme Gay Beach", which may be the more widely known term. Google Maps shows a big beach volleyball area there. Or the beach is just known as "Farme" as here being ranked #1 worldwide among gay beaches or perhaps I guess as "Farme Beach".

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The article could be expanded and perhaps moved to that name, or that name could redirect to the article. --Doncram (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

E.g. in the

Washington Post: "But some Brazilians say that too much foreign attention can become a drag. In nothing but Ray-Bans and his Calvin Klein sunga, Raul Vinicius, 25, was surveying the scene on Ipanema near Farme do Amoedo street, considered a gay-friendly part of the beach, with rainbow flags rippling in the wind. In his home town of Florianopolis, in southern Brazil, he said, it was normal to flirt at the beach. But in Rio, he’d noticed male prostitutes trolling for foreigners and the tourists also aggressively hitting on locals." in "Tourists really don’t know how to fit in at Rio’s famous beaches". --Doncram (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply

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"R. Farme de Amoedo - Ipanema" is a subway stop. To get to the beach from downtown Rio de Janeiro, one would take the subway to it and walk down that avenue to the beach. We have a zillion articles about train stations; I am not sure that we need articles on every subway station but having a combo article about station / notable street / notable beach seems reasonable to me. --Doncram (talk) 21:36, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the street has been significantly covered in media. SportingFlyer talk 07:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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