Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rudy Trouvé
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. No agreement on whether he has independent notability apart from dEUS. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rudy Trouvé
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More than eight years old and still no independent sources. No obvious in depth coverage in independent sources in google. Articles in four parallel language wikipedias, but none of them appear to have any additional refs. The edit removing the PROD contained the link http://www.lalibre.be/societe/voyage/article/177975/petit-trouve-de-l-anvers-alternatif.html which is in French, so I can't really evaluate it.
]- Keep: I added, apart from the link in my edit summary, some more links at the talk page of the article ([1]2 minutes before this AfD, so we probably crossed each other). These are major media (general or music specific) from Wallonia, Flanders and the Netherlands, where Rudy Trouvé is the main subject of the coverage. They are in French and Dutch, but they are more than sufficient to keep this. Being a full member of some notable bands (mainly ]
- I don't speak any of the languages of those sources, so I'm not in a position to evaluate them against ]
- Deus (band). Yes, they're definitely notable, as are Dead Man Ray - judging notability solely by looking at a Wikipedia article is not a good idea. Other projects that Trouve has been involved in are also notable, e.g. split album with Lou Barlow, Pawlovski, Trouve and Ward. See also [2], [3], [4], [5]. --Michig (talk) 21:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't speak any of the languages of those sources, so I'm not in a position to evaluate them against ]
- Keep: I'd also add than he is the subject of articles in 4 other languages, which presumably are not flagged for deletion...---Brigade Piron (talk) 11:46, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. There's enough coverage around to demonstrate notability. --Michig (talk) 18:45, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Meets WP:MUSICBIO through in-depth coverage in reliable sources, as demonstrated above. — sparklism hey! 10:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The question is whether Trouvé is ]
- What about the "La libre belgique" source given above, which focuses solely on him and starts with "Rudy Trouvé, musicien emblématique de la métropole", which would make him meet ]
- I responded on the talk page. My above comments were for the sources mentioned on this page, and I responded on the talk page for the sources mentioned on that page:
Ref1 is good, ref3 is unreliable (per their FAQ page), and ref4 glows suspiciously because it's written by volunteer editors (though VPRO appears more reputable on the whole). And the quote from Oor (ref5) actually expands to
]"Als we denken aan belangrijke figuren in de Belgische popscene, denken we natuurlijk aan Tom Barman en Stef Kamil Carlens. Maar vergeet Rudy Trouvé niet."
(the important Belgian pop figures are Barman and Carlens, Trouvé is usually forgotten). Some of these are good finds, but with the unreliable sources aside, the argument is that Trouvé is not- My response from the talk page: Your translation of the Oor quote is wrong. It's not "Trouvé is usually forgotten" but "But don't forget Rudy Trouvé." This is of course nearly the opposite meaning of what you made of it. So even ignoring Ref 3 and 4, we have Refs 1, 2 and 5, plus his actual contributions to two notable bands and a split album with another very notable musician. ]
- Even with your translation, the point was that Trouvé is not as renowned as Barman and Carlens. He is only discussed in the capacity of being a former dEUS member, and not his own notable work. "His actual contributions to two notable bands" doesn't matter if notability is not inherited, and his split album with someone notable also doesn't matter if there is zero critical response to it (in fact, it says the opposite). I'm not arguing that he isn't interesting, just that the refs don't support his status as an independently notable cultural figure. Ref5 (Oor), like the Gazet van Antwerpen, is an announcement or blurb, not ]
- My response from the talk page: Your translation of the Oor quote is wrong. It's not "Trouvé is usually forgotten" but "But don't forget Rudy Trouvé." This is of course nearly the opposite meaning of what you made of it. So even ignoring Ref 3 and 4, we have Refs 1, 2 and 5, plus his actual contributions to two notable bands and a split album with another very notable musician. ]
- I responded on the talk page. My above comments were for the sources mentioned on this page, and I responded on the talk page for the sources mentioned on that page:
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