Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuell Benta

Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 21:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Samuell Benta

Samuell Benta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Non-notable minor actor, playing minor characters; created his own obscure YouTube webseries but nowhere near notable, to my way of thinking. Orange Mike | Talk 02:13, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the
talk to me 02:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Ascii002Talk Contribs GuestBook 02:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Ascii002Talk Contribs GuestBook 02:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ascii002Talk Contribs GuestBook 02:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as it fails
    WP:NACTOR, as it looks like he hasn't had any significant roles. Aerospeed (Talk) 22:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@
The Cut lists him as the 20th of 22 actors in the show, only four of whom have Wikipedia articles. Our article List of The Cut characters says he has only appeared in 19/40 episodes, and 9 actors who have appeared in more episodes than him do not have articles. I've asked you enough times to please elaborate as to why you think this actor's having had fairly minor roles in these shows makes him inherently more notable than the other actors in those shows: why have you not? Hijiri 88 (やや) 04:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
@Hijiri88: Why have I not? I thought I had. But I will expand, without comparing him to other actors who do or do not have articles (which one should definitely not be doing in AFD). Each season of EastEnders: E20 has a different set of main characters. He plays one of three main characters in series 3. It's a significant role in the series and the series is notable. You say in The Cut that he is listed as 20th out of 22 actors, which refers to the infobox. I don't know what order this is in, it's meant to be order of appearance, but the article says "Jay Kelso (played by Samuell Benta) is the main protagonist of Series 1", which in my mind gives him a significant role in a notable series. The article for Power Rangers Operation Overdrive lists him (in the "cast" section) second, and as he appears in all 32 episodes. So it's just one season. So what? It's still a significant role in that particular season, which is notable on its own as it as its own Wikipedia article. So significant roles in multiple notable television series. Not minor ones. –anemoneprojectors– 07:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Now you've finally answered my question about those shows that I don't know, and I thank you. The fact remains, though, that the article cannot be improved beyond a list of roles in relatively obscure shows mainly populated by non-notable actors. There is no reason to assume Benta is more notable than any of them, especially when no sources have yet been found that cover his bio in any detail. I don't know how much trouble you went to find those eight sources below, but I searched around for a while before my BLPN post, and couldn't find anything, and as I pointed out below none of those sources are any good for our purposes (the only ones that talk about his bio at all are
interviews). Hijiri 88 (やや) 15:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
I'm not saying he's more or less notable than anyone else, I'm just saying he's notable, full stop. And that's per Wikipedia's notability guideline for actors. The article already is more than a list of his roles. We know a bit about his heritage and his schooling. It's not much, but it's more than just a list of roles. He's also received four award nominations (for himself, not his show), one of which is from a notable organisation (
Screen Nation). I picked the eight sources I did because they are proper news companies and not random blogs, plus the people presenting the awards, and one governmental organisation. I didn't search too hard, but did go beyond page 1 of a Google search. I didn't check all search results, so there might be more. I just didn't have the time or energy. To be honest I think we need more opinions! –anemoneprojectors– 15:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
Essentially what I'm saying is that there are not enough sources to objectively cover this actor. We can either use promotional self-published material that glosses over the only incident he's known for, or limit ourselves to a list of minor credits he has received.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 10:28, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:
    The Cut are all notable television shows, and his role in each is significant. Just because his series of EastEnders: E20 was broadcast over a month doesn't make the role insignificant, or the show non-notable. –anemoneprojectors– 21:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Note that my deletion rationale is based on
WP:GNG. NACTOR is subordinate to GNG. This actor has had fairly minor roles in a couple of reasonably well-known shows, but his participation in these shows has not received any significant coverage third-party reliable sources. If he had, a source could be found for either the statement "at the 2007 Powermorphicon he stole a signed poster from a charity auction and has yet to return it or apologize" or the statement "many Power Rangers fans have accused him of stealing from a charity auction in 2007, but this claim has been disproven". I asked for sources and was met with "he appeared in some TV shows, therefore he is notable". 182.249.240.32 (talk) 07:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC) (Hijiri88's phone)[reply
]
How about these for starters: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]? Just because one incident isn't included (possibly because of right to be forgotten) doesn't mean there aren't plenty of sources about him. –anemoneprojectors– 08:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Independent is newspaper article about online media that lists him along with several others because he has a webshow. It gives his age and hometown, and no other biographical information.
  • Brent & Kilburn Times is a local newspaper from his hometown, with an article on his webshow. It doesn't give any biographical information on him apart from said hometown's name the fact that he made the webshow. So far the only biographical information is contradicting itself. (They could easily both be right, but which do we use? And how much of an article can we build with just a list of places he lived and a list of the shows he acted in?)
  • Times is a short interview about his webshow. It gives no biographical information, and while it may be useful as a source for an article on the show, it does not provide significant coverage on him. It is also neither independent nor neutral, as interviews are generally considered
    WP:PRIMARY
    sources.
  • Digital Spy is another
    interview
    with the subject. It may or may not demonstrate the notability of one or more of his acting projects, but doesn't help us write a biographical article on him.
  • London Evening Standard is yet another short article on his webshow. Please read
    WP:NOTINHERITED
    : sources on his show do not help the biographical article on him meet GNG.
  • Brent is a local government source that says even less about one of his ... short films (?) premiering in the area in question. It provides no information whatsoever on the subject himself. How can we use it to improve our biographical article on him?
  • Mobo mentions his name in a list of nominees for a particular award. The winner in that category does not have a Wikipedia article, and of the three other nominees the only one with an article is Wil Johnson, another BLP based almost entirely on primary sources (interviews).
  • BEFFTA is another source
    discussing his show, not his biography
    , and even then it is essentially a list of award nominations.
The one incident is not mentioned because none of these sources give us any information at all about his biography. They are all about film and (web)TV projects he has worked on. If you want to try creating articles on those works ... well, none of them already have articles.
WP:NOTINHERITED
makes it clear that sources discussing his film and TV projects, not him, do not help his biography article meet GNG. And in this case none of the related topics even have articles! If those are the best sources that can be found, this article will be deleted.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 13:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted
to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakrtalk / 06:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.