Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seven stages (Yogi)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) JayJay^{What did I do?} 00:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seven stages (Yogi)

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This an unreferrenced orphan article on a subject that does not seem not seem to satisfy WP:GNG BO | Talk 19:07, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't actually unreferenced, per the second sentence: "The following is taken from the commentary on the Yoga Sutras by Vyasa". The reference may not be formatted in the standard way, but it's still a reference.
Phil Bridger (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Keep. I've added a couple of references to books from reliable publishers. Plenty more such sources can be found here.
Phil Bridger (talk) 22:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks for taking time to find sources, the seven stages seem somewhat controversial if not completely unfamiliar, but do these sources demonstrate notability? (I.E. are they indicative of that this be an article in it own right which should be cleaned up and expanded, or do they suggest that it should it be merged with say Yogi or Deleted). I would expect an entry in the yoga encyclopedia, a peer reviewed journal on this subject or a monograph. All I see are mentions which point to merging or renaming. BO | Talk 23:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources that I cited in the article discuss this subject "directly in detail", to quote the
Phil Bridger (talk) 19:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The citation of the second source is incomplete as it lacks the volume. Having tracked it down and examined it in depth, I noticed that it is aluding to something other then which is the subject of the article - it is discussing the seven stages of Prajna and these are discussed in the context of the philosophy of the ... mythical sage vashista, not Vyasa - which are the subject of this article.

Also the first is a primary source - and is unsuitable to establish WP:N. (i.e. you cannot bring three translation of a single religious tract and claim that these are a demonstrate that verse so and so is therefore notable - this is the reason the source must be Independent of the subject. c.f.

general notability guideline

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"Yoga and the Luminous also includes a word-by-word translation of Patañjali's Yoga Sutra, the foundational text of Yoga philosophy and ...." from the back cover.

I think these sources only demonstrate that this is not WP:N concept being a subject which can means different things to different writers under various contexts. BO | Talk 15:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Keep per patent lack of
WP:BEFORE. A rapid search in Google Books with the key words "Seven stages" and "Yogi" shows 987 results, and in the main part they are not trivial mentions. Also included in encyclopedias such as Encyclopaedia of Indian Philosophies: Indian Metaphysica and Epistemology the Tradition of Nyaya-Vaisesika Up to Gangesa by Karl H. Potter. A withdrawal of the nomination is suggested. Cavarrone (talk) 08:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply
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An examination of both Google Scholar, Books and Google itself for "Seven Stages Yogi" as well as a numbered of variants revealed no independent reliable sources for this non-Notable concept in Yoga. If such can be found I'll gladly improve it and upgrade it's position in the Yoga project. But if notability cannot be demonstrated it should be removed. The far broader search mentioned above however returned many unrelated results referring to a number of similar sounding concepts but this has no merit since it is to be statistically expected of any search which is too broad - in particular looking up Yogi in a eastern philosophy book is not particularly earthshaking. Accordingly I maintain that the burden of establishing WP:N has not been carried out. If you believe you have uncovered hundreds of high quality texts please provide citations. BO | Talk 13:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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