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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was no consensus.

I am extremely conscious of the ongoing debates about guidelines for sportspeople. This debate is one where there is a good-faith disagreement about the interpretation of a guideline. Whilst I am entitled to give lesser weight to contributions that don't have basis in policy, I am not required to write them off entirely. And what we have here is a great many arguments to keep versus a very small, but higher-quality, set of arguments to delete. These in my view net off against one another, and I do not find a consensus to delete.

Anyone who feels merging or redirecting is appropriate is not enjoined from doing so, either by way of

WP:BB
, or by starting a talk page discussion.

As with all my AFD closures, I have considered this very carefully and will not change my decision based on talk page messages. Anyone wishing to contest the closure may proceed directly to DRV and I waive any and all requirements, expectations, etc. to consult me first. Stifle (talk) 08:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shabana Kausar

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No evidence of notability. A search per

WP:BEFORE did not turn up any significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 11:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

  • "No evidence of notability" - playing for the national team would suggest otherwise. Ironically, after the almost complete annihilation of
    WP:CHEAP. I'll ask the article's other contributor to see if they can find anything more. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
We delete any article which doesn't have significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 09:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't true, articles can be nominated for deletion, but if there is a likelihood that sourcing may exist (potentially offline in more historic sportsmen and women, or in other languages that can be more difficult to find in a BEFORE search) then articles can be kept. I've seen this in a number of football related articles that have gone through AfD in the past few months. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. That simply isn't the case, international sportspeople who have played at the highest level have presumed coverage. Especially in cricket, where the subject is from a cricket mad country, which will have written coverage. Sadly, Pakistani print media isn't digitalised, but hey... let's create Anglopedia, where only things covered digitally in the Anglosphere count! StickyWicket (talk) 12:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete.
    WP:NSPORT
    guidelines.
Redirect is not appropriate, as it is ambiguous - other people with the same name are mentioned in other articles, including a Pakistani Javelin thrower. BilledMammal (talk) 03:10, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case a dab page should be created - existence of other people is no reason to deprive this person of findability via a redirect. As well as the javelin thrower there seems also to be a composer &/or singer of film theme tunes - see
    Meray Khwab Raiza Raiza. PamD 09:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
The search function is more effective for that, as it will allow readers to find all people by this name, while the dab page is likely to be unmaintained and exclude many. BilledMammal (talk) 03:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But you could say that of any dab page. Perhaps you don't believe in creating them at all? PamD 05:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of disambiguation pages is to help the reader to navigate quickly from the page that first appears to any of the other possible desired articles. Those that disambiguate between notable topics and significant mentions do this; the search results are often extensive and include many passing mentions on different topics from the one the reader is searching for.
Those that disambiguate between passing mentions do the opposite; they might provide a link to the wrong passing mention, such as linking to List of Pakistan women ODI cricketers when the reader wants Pakistan women's cricket team in Australia and New Zealand in 1996–97, or they might miss passing mentions that were added more recently due to the pages not being maintained. For this, the search function is more effective. BilledMammal (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For most purposes, the search function is actually pretty awful. It's great at generating a jumble of articles that contain both of two words, but not so great in providing a relevant proximity. BD2412 T 04:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Normally, yes, but when the name is not shared by anyone notable I believe it works better than trying to maintain a disambiguation page - and I note that we aren't going to be adding all the non-notable but mentioned John Smith's to John Smith. BilledMammal (talk) 05:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.
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