Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sista Afia

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sista Afia

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The subject of this article fails

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep She passes
  WP:GNG and the subject has wide coverage. The only issue is with the sources which needs more reliable secondary sources. Abishe (talk) 08:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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WP:GNG does she pass and where are the reliable secondary sources?  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 12:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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• Comment @Versace1608: Sorry that was a careless blunder of mine because I presumed it to be notable because of the wide coverage of the subject in Google search index and I realized that presumption should not be relevant to this discussion and also acknowledged that the Google might not be reliable when searching about this person. Of course I earlier mentioned that the article lacks reliable secondary sources. Abishe (talk) 13:32, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The subject fails
  WP:RS. Abishe (talk) 13:32, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete — Fails
  WP:MUSICBIO & general notability guidelines.Celestina007 (talk) 14:20, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep - The musician passes
  WP:RS. I have add the stub tag to better improve it. Kwamevaughan (talk) 07:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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@Kwamevaughan: Which criterion of WP:GNG does she pass? The Ghanaweb and Modernghana sources cited in the article are not independent of the subject. The two nominations she received at the 2020 VGMAs aren't enough to warrant a separate article.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 10:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning Keep, but qualified as follows. Doing a search for sources, I see a whole lot on the following websites< yen.com.gh, ghanaweb.com, modernghana.com, and pulse.com.gh. Some others on newsghana.com.gh, ghanamusic.com, ghanamotion.com, and some others. I'm mentioning domains rather than links to particulars because there are dozens and dozens of articles on these sites, so easy to find. The big question is how reliable they are, and I can't say I'm familiar apart from seeing them come up in other Ghana-related articles. Ghanaweb.com is the most popular website in ghana after Google and YouTube, and Yen.com.gh is certainly up there. That speaks to prominence, not reliability, though. There are enough of these, that I'm willing to err on the side of considering them reliable at this point, pending evidence to the contrary. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:MUSICBIO? Having promotional links on Ghanaweb.com and Yen.com.gh doesn't mean anything. All acts in Ghana have promotional links on these sites, including the ones whose articles have been deleted.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 07:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Any response about the amount of coverage something has received is talking about the GNG (significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject). You say "having promotional links". These are not links. They're articles in those sources. I'm not interested in

WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments, so let's focus on the sources, because indeed, if those sources are not reliable, GNG is not met. On what basis are you saying they're unreliable? A search through RSN for ghanaweb returned just this one hit, which was poorly attended so certainly not a clear consensus, but what's there leaned towards ghanaweb being ok. PS: adding a ping after writing a comment doesn't do anything. For a ping to create a notification, it has to be accompanied by a new signature on a new line. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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@Rhododendrites: Let me ask you specifically. Can you tell me which sources in the article are notable? All of the sources in the article are promotional links or press release info about the subject's music. None of them discusses the subject's music. Show me sources that critically reviewed her songs. I am awaiting your response.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:33, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is irrelevant to the sources (and several of them are notable). The question is whether they're reliable. If you've nothing to add to clear that up, my !vote stands as written. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is where you're wrong here. You have failed to show me sources that discuss the subject or her music. You claim that those sources are reliable and I'm telling you they are promotional links and press releases.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong about what? That my !vote, which conditions a keep on the reliability of the many sources that are available? Rather than bludgeon, you could add some context about why you say these sources are not reliable. You're not obliged to, of course; just like I'm not obliged to try to persuade you of anything. I suppose I'll have to look elsewhere for context about these sources. You may ultimately be right, but, ahem, "you have failed to show me" why the sources which discuss the subject or her music are unreliable apart from waving them off as "promotional links". (I'm not going to arbitrarily link to some -- they are littered around those sites mentioned above, as you've no doubt seen). This will be my last post unless I find (or read here) additional information. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites: You're wrong to think that a website is reliable simply because they are one of their country's most popular websites. I asked you to tell me which sources in the article you consider reliable and you've failed to do that. I am going to breakdown all of the article's sources since you are not satisfy with the statements I've made.

• The first source is inaccessible; it is an unreliable self-published blog source powered by Wordpress. The website reads "We bring you the best Premium WordPress Themes that perfect for news, magazine, personal blog, etc. Check our landing page for details." Can you please tell me how exactly do you consider this source reliable?
• The second source is a radio interview she granted to Abusua FM, talking about her song "Jeje". The song fails
  WP:NSONG
  and the source isn't independent of her.
• The third source is another interview; interview sources cannot be used to establish notability because they are not reliable secondary coverage.
  WP:GNG
  clearly states this.
• The fourth source is simply an announcment about her song "Jeje". Ghanamotion.com is a promotional platform that provides advertising services to artists.
• The fifth source is inaccessible; Ghanaxclusives.com is simply a promotional site where artists can choose a promo package and upload their music for promo.
• The sixth source is simply Kofi Kinaata's endorsement of her song "YiWani". The song fails WP:NSONG and the source cannot be used to establish its notability.
• The seventh source is inaccessible. Ameyaw Debrah is a blogger and his website is simply a promotional platform.
• The eight source is a mixture of quotes from an interview and some secondary content.
• Sources 9, 10 and 11 are interview sources that are not independent of her.
• Sources 12 through 17, 19 through 22, 24, 29 through 34, and 36 through 41 are all links to her YouTube videos; sources 18 and 35 are inaccessible.
• Sources 26, 27 and 28 are about her nominations at the 3Music Awards and the Vodafone Ghana Music Awards; only the latter award is notable.

After analyzing all of the sources, the subject's only claim to notability is her multiple nominations at the VGMAs. One brief secondary coverage of her (sorce 8) and her two nominations at the VGMA are not enough to warrant a separate article. To retierate, she doesn't meet any of the criterion outlined in

WP:MUSICBIO.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep - Per
  WP:RS. Kwamevaughan (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Duplicate vote was struck. I've edited it to only strike the bolded !vote, since people can express an opinion in multiple places. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites: Of course people are allowed to express their opinions but Kwamevaughan has a tendency of voting multiple times in AFD discussion. Take a look at this AFD discssion from March 2018; he voted three times.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:33, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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disruptive and persisting in doing so can lead to sanctions (preventing you from participating at all). That's not a threat; just letting you know. This is more about arguments than votes. Just write Comment instead of keep. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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• My bad. I had the impression I needed to do that when contesting in afd. This is noted henceforth. Thanks Kwamevaughan (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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