Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunset Range

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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:04, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sunset Range

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The article is sourced only to IMDB, which is ultra comprehensive and not reliable. Well, it also has a note as to how to download the film from another site, but that is still not providing any secondary coverage. Articles are to be built on secondary source in depth coverage of the topic in sources that are reliable, indepdent of the subject, and the multiple sources need to be intelectually indepedent of each other. We have nothing even remotely like that her, and my search for sources at both google and google books turned up absolutely nothing. John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 15:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, small review at TV Guide [1]. Not enough on its own, but a possible start? DonaldD23 talk to me 16:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also found this in the book Western Movies: A Guide to 5,105 Feature Films, [2] DonaldD23 talk to me 16:34, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The film features significant involvement by several notable persons that have their own articles, and the article has 14 incoming links. Hoot Gibson was a leading performer in Hollywood at the time ("second only to cowboy film legend Tom Mix as a box office draw"). The article about character actor Eddie Lee lists his role in this film as one of his few significant roles. The articles John Elliott (actor) and Kitty McHugh have images from Sunset Range in their respective infobox, and the captions link to the article. In depth coverage is built over time, but even short articles can contribute to increased knowledge. The lack of online sources can likely be attributed to it being an old film, and a look in newspapers from the time is likely to show something. Feel free to tag it with {{sources}} instead of deleting it. It is easier to build on an existing article than to start all over. --Bensin (talk) 16:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • We keep articles based on identified sources, the issue is not whether they are online or not. The one short review in the TV Guide and the brief mention mentioned above are not enough to justify keeping the article. Notability is not inhereited, so it does not matter how notable those involved in the production were, if we do not have indepth sources about it there is no notability. Still shots from a film are not secondary sources, and their use elsewhere on Wikipedia in no way adds toward notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Johnpacklambert: I have expanded this article a fair bit now with historic sources that are verifiable. These are period coverage so would you consider they sufficiently compliment more contemporary coverage? Bungle (talk • contribs) 15:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*weak delete i feel that deleting the article isnt the best choice, but it is a stub with few refrences, if someone adds more, ill vote keep, or if a sort of western movies page is made ill vote merge, and delete on this might be bad. so unless its improved or merged, delete -just a quick reminder,Im really bad at this(talk)- 17:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Im really bad at this: I have expanded the article with newspaper sources and created a few sections. Is it enough for you to reconsider your !vote? Bungle (talk • contribs) 13:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
keep my issues with the article have been resolved, and it seems to be better now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Im really bad at this (talk • contribs) 14:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In addition to the sources above that I listed, it is also found in several editions of the book "Video Hound's Golden Movie Retriever" [3]. I feel that while these items might not pass
    WP:GNG as there is coverage. A search of newspapers from that time might yield more, but I don't have access to those. But, GNG seems to be established. DonaldD23 talk to me 18:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@Donaldd23: You're right about coverage from historic newspapers - definitely coverage of this. Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as there is actually a reasonable amount of coverage on newspapers.com and I have taken the liberty of cropping a handful of these and creating a reception section from them. This isn't exhaustive and it seems it got press coverage in newspapers of that period. Although it's unlikely there will be much in the way of substantial full-page reviews of this film, there is definitely more than just passing mentions and no doubt more can be found still. Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as newspaper coverage is enough to show notability.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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