Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tennessee Eastman Hiking and Canoeing Club (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy deleted under

GRBerry 21:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Tennessee Eastman Hiking and Canoeing Club

Non-notable local organization, referenced only by club's own site and other sources not meeting requirements for establishing notability. Hellno2 (talk) 20:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom—lack of third party sources, non-notable. Mr. Absurd (talk) 01:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but drastically reduce the size of the article. The final article should look more like Georgia Appalachian Trail Club or Dartmouth Outing Club. As an organization that has existed for more than 60 years and is responsible for maintaining a large chunk of the Appalachian Trail, this club is inherently notable. Independent sources exist; for example, the role of the club and its member Stan Murray in relocating 65 miles of the Appalachian Trail is documented in this reference. If the massive amount of trivial detail were removed from the article, it would look like a reasonable article (not the appalling collection of self-sourced trivia that currently exists). --Orlady (talk) 02:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Age of an organization is not a free pass to notability, especially if this is not referenced from a
Reliable source. The organization's own site does not meet this requirement. Hellno2 (talk) 05:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply
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My recognition of the need for reliable sources is one of the reasons why my comment included that link to the Appalachian Trail Conference's 75h anniversary publication on the history of the Appalachian Trail. I've done some edits in the article, but have not had time to get deep enough into it to insert that source. As for the founding date, I am adding an independent citation on the date. --Orlady (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Subsequent to the above comment, I've made several more edits to the article, including citing some additional online sources. --Orlady (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete , copyvio from http://www.tehcc.org/history.htm. Corvus cornix_talk 21:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a copyvio. There is no question that parts of the article are highly derivative of that page (i.e., content and sequence of information), but the wording of the article is different (not even including the wording that I have changed). --Orlady (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changing a word here or there so that it isn't a direct word for word copy doesn't make it any less a copyvio. Corvus cornix_talk 21:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.