Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommie Moore

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Tommie Moore

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There don't seem to be sources which actually discuss Tommie or Tomiwitta Moore, only passing mentions as part of a cast (or a one-line announcement of her engagement). Fails

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• Comment There are three sources in Google Books (searching for her as Tomiwitta Moore) that interest me:
  • Black Entertainers in African American Newspaper Articles: An annotated bibliography of the Chicago defender, the Afro-American (Baltimore), the Los Angeles sentinel, and the New York Amsterdam news, 1910-1950 By Charlene B. Regester
  • A Guide to Magazine Articles, Newspaper Articles, and Books Concerning More Than 15,000 Black Individuals and Groups · Volumes 1-2 By Mary Mace Spradling · 1980
  • Brown Sugar: Over One Hundred Years of America's Black Female Superstars By Donald Bogle · 2007

I'll see where I might find them. --

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• Weak keep for now. I've added some content to the article and hope to find more. At least one of those books is at a local library, but I don't know if their reference area is open at this time due to COVID. This will take me a few days to sort out. To the closer: Please, if it looks like a delete, extend it a week so I can have a chance of improving it. Thank you.
• Keep meets the notability criteria for actors having had significant roles in several notable productions. Excellent work by DiamondRemley39 greatly improving on the content and sourcing of the entry. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Care to elaborate which are these "significant roles in several notable productions"? Her role in the Green-Eyed Blonde, a rather obscure film, seems to be her most significant role, and even there she is a supporting actor more than a lead. None of her other roles seem to fit the NACTOR requirement?
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    • I can't speak for FloridaArmy, but I can address some of this. Playing Claudia in Claudia is significant. NACTOR doesn't call for lead actor. A review of that film states that no one really is the "lead" in that film and her performance is commented on. A film's obscurity is not only irrelevant in a discussion (see
      talk) 13:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
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      • No, playing Claudia in a touring production of
        Fram (talk) 14:04, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
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        • Direct me to a guideline that says the tour has to be of a certain level of significance for it to count for an actor's notability. What would that even mean? Most professional tours are of significance in the history of the production of the play. What matters is the coverage. Significance is subjective, but many would say that a tour of Claudia with an all-black cast in 1946 that received coverage is "significant". How thoroughly did you review the sources? Did you read the article titled, "Tommie Moore, Actress and Model, Leaves on Tour of "Claudia" for Negro Drama Gp."? That's not a passing mention. Regarding her work in Green-Eyed Blonde, the text of the review calling her out as a good (or bad) performer should not be mischaracterized as a
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          • Fram (talk) 14:52, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
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            • We will have to agree to disagree on the significance of a black cast tour of Claudia in the 1940s.
              talk) 15:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Found citation for coverage: "Movie features Blossoming star: Tommie Moore Gets 'Gratifying Role in Film Story of Modern Correction School'." Ebony 13 (November 1957): 93-96.
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  • Whether we end up agreeing or disagreeing, you are doing an admirable job of looking for and finding sources.
    Fram (talk) 15:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep per
  WP:HEY. It seems clear that Moore received coverage, especially as a Black actress playing roles originally performed by white actresses. There's a point where the hair-splitting over sources does not benefit the encyclopedia anymore, and it's time to drop the stick. — Toughpigs (talk) 02:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
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