Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Vlachos
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. While a pure majority here would lean that way, I have to add that the argument that BLP1E applies here was given low weight. BLP1E applies, according to the text of the policy, to low-profile individuals. The subject is a reality show participant. In a perfect world, the contradiction there would have been discussed by participants, as a
finding of fact. This is not a perfect world. --j⚛e deckertalk 23:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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Tony Vlachos
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Subject is the winner of a single season of a reality TV show season, and has no notability independent of that season's article. Wikipedia articles on single-season reality TV shows contestants have historically been deleted. Nightscream (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Nightscream (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (NotifyOnline 05:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)]
- Weak keep Most winners of Survivor have articles based solely on their notability from the program. I feel that this should meet the standard of notability required to keep, but if this is not the way the community sees it, then this is not the only article we should be deleting. WantaghNY (talk) 12:14, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The scope and breadth of the sources already in the article and the other reliable and verifiable sources specifically about Vlachos that could be added to the article clearly demonstrate that he meets the Wikipedia notability standard. Take a look at Template:Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants for a sample of the dozens of other winners and non-winners whose notability stems from their participation in the series. Alansohn (talk) 03:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)]
- Keep Really..? The guy has been on a wildly popular TV show, won the show, and received TONS of media coverage about the game and about his life outside of the game. Gloss • talk 04:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)]
- And also, about the nominator's original statement saying "Wikipedia articles on single-season reality TV shows contestants have historically been deleted." -- you do realize that we have an article for every person who has made the top 12 of every American Idol season? Gloss • talk 04:22, 28 May 2014 (UTC)]
- And also, about the nominator's original statement saying "Wikipedia articles on single-season reality TV shows contestants have historically been deleted." -- you do realize that we have an article for every person who has made the top 12 of every American Idol season?
- That's probably because American Idol contestants go onto enjoy careers as singers apart from their time in AI, and that tends to generate more coverage in secondary sources. Nightscream (talk) 04:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- So? Many of them don't get record deals and instead only get appearances singing the national anthem in their hometowns and perform at bars there. Are you saying we should have an article for every single national anthem singer and every bar band in the country? That's a ludicrous idea, and people far more relevant than an eleventh-place Idol contestant are getting snubbed that way.
- On this article, I say Keep because he won a million dollars on TV and has earned notoriety from the show the same way the AmIdol national anthem singers have. Plus, he's already considered one of the show's best players ever, and we have the sources to back things up. I see no reason to delete this. Andymancan1 (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
- That's probably because American Idol contestants go onto enjoy careers as singers apart from their time in AI, and that tends to generate more coverage in secondary sources. Nightscream (talk) 04:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep I am finding more sources that can be placed in the article, passes WP:GNG with the sources and coverage. [1], [2], [3], [4]. Sadly it appears the scandal is being covered by reliable sources which makes the person known more than just the winner of survivor. I also want to point out that "TV shows contestants have historically been deleted" is a broad statement, which TV shows for example? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2014 (UTC)]
- Survivor, for one. Look at the material in the Survivor section of Vlachos' article, which comprises most of its material. Isn't that same material be summarized and presented in the Survivor: Cagayan article? What coverage is there about Vlachos that is independent enough of the Survivor: Cagayan article that justifies a separate one? Nightscream (talk) 04:21, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- I just told you, the scandal that has come out post survivor that has been covered in reliable sources. As for TV show contestants when it comes to survivor there are plenty of articles that cover the winners but that is a separate area. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:28, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- You casually mentioned some "scandal" in passing, but you didn't say what that scandal was. Are you referring to that congressman saying he should be fired? That's hardly a "scandal". It's a disgruntled viewer who happens to be a politician, using his position to express his ire. It's already mentioned in his article, and is hardly independent of the season itself, IMHO. Nightscream (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- I just told you, the scandal that has come out post survivor that has been covered in reliable sources. As for TV show contestants when it comes to survivor there are plenty of articles that cover the winners but that is a separate area. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:28, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- Survivor, for one. Look at the material in the Survivor section of Vlachos' article, which comprises most of its material. Isn't that same material be summarized and presented in the Survivor: Cagayan article? What coverage is there about Vlachos that is independent enough of the Survivor: Cagayan article that justifies a separate one? Nightscream (talk) 04:21, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per BASIC. I realize this is either going to be a KEEP or a no consensus, but the fact that standards are and have been widely ignored, is a poor excuse for continuing the practice. Unless someone has evidence of some other claim to notability, this is a one event guy, end of story. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)]
- Keep: The article itself has a template showing that most every season winner, not to mention some other contestants, have individual articles. AFD has resulted in keep before for winners, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyson Apostol, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Spradlin, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Westman. Perhaps not all winners are notable, but Vlachos was a much-covered contestant in a popular season, and meets GNG.--Milowent • hasspoken 18:23, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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