Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Untitled Marilyn Manson album

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The result was delete. Created too early and fails

Untitled Marilyn Manson album

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No confirmed title, no confirmed track listing, no confirmed cover art, no confirmed release date. Delete/Incubate per

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 18:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I believe the article should not be deleted. There were other albums like Kylie Minogue's Aphrodite that started this way, with less information. The article features a lot of information about the new album which is set to be released this summer, according to Marilyn Manson. It features three section which provide information about the album, like the style of the album, the "change" of the labels, etc. User:Salgado96 18:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• The production of the album is finished. User:Salgado96 18:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The sources say the album will be out this summer, which is only a few months away. More information will become available. No point deleting only to bring it back in a few weeks.
  talk) 20:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Yes, Drmotley is right, its only a few weeks! by the way, the album might be released before that! because in the promotion section it says the "summer LEG of the tour..."... so, i suppose the album will be released before that! User:Salgado96 22:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Enough sources & coverage to indicate notability. This is one occasion that the policy of
  WP:HAMMER. Lugnuts (talk) 07:55, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete as per
  WP:CRYSTAL. It won't kill us to wait a few more months as more information becomes available. WereWolf (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete - per
  puffery.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep it says it will be released in "Summer - Autumn 2011", what is not really a long time to wait. I don't think it is against
  T 11:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete per
  chat 20:04, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete fails WP:GNG because it fails
  WP:V. Also fails the well-respected WP:HAMMER. Bearian (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• I agree with Snottywong, the article was created too early. On the otherside of that, deleting the article that in potentionally 2 to 3 weeks will be re-created seems unnecessary.
  talk) 09:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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I don't think this is too much of a problem, since when information is available, this page is going to have a totally different name (presumably) and the current content (which consists of a few vague quotes stretched out to an article, will likely just get wiped. I'd liken it to creating a page which lists events which happened in April 2011 - if it existed now it would just be a speculative list of scheduled events etc, and the 'no point deleting it only to recreate it in a few weeks' argument wouldn't have any traction. Bob House 884 (talk) 12:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can see your point, but an article about events in April would be purely speculative, whereas this article has a base in source that there will be an album released this summer.

talk) 14:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete/Incubate – This is a subject that likely will be notable down the road, but not today. If you sift through this article and remove all of the tentative and speculative information, you're left with the group's departure from Interscope Records and two conflicting statements on what the album will sound like (death metal and punk rock are entirely different genres).
  WP:CRYSTAL are all looking for concrete verifiable details about an upcoming album, of which there are very little for Marilyn Manson's next album at this point in time. Also, User:Salgado96, I can see you worked very hard on this article and it would be a shame to just delete it entirely. You can create a user subpage with a title such as User:Salgado96/Sandbox1 or User:Salgado96/Marilyn Manson's upcoming album, or whatever you see fit, continue working on the article, and once the album meets the guidelines for upcoming album, it can easily be recreated. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.