Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanessa Jean Dedmon (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vanessa Jean Dedmon

This article was deleted at its earlier AfD because the subject, contestant from the German Idol-clone, had no released recordings; A DRV consensus overturned, given the recent release of her first. See the DRV for additional details. This is a procedural nomination, so I abstain. Xoloz 13:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep — per
  WP:NOT _→AzaToth 13:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Explain, please? How does one speedy keep per WP:NOT? Xoloz 14:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per "Wikipedia is not a Bureaucracy" _→AzaToth 14:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If an article comes out of DRV with a relisting, consensus was narrow -- less than 80% (approx.); therefore, opposition can be expected, and speedy keeps are kinda nutty. Indeed, Zoe argues below that your vote is invalid, and I cannot disagree. Xoloz 15:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Conditional keep - has her recording hit the charts yet? Else she's yet another non-notable reality TV reject. MER-C 13:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete as recreation of previously deleted content, nothing new that indicates she has notability. AzaToth's !vote is invalid as it does not address this situation but merely states a generic comment which can be easily disproven. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I undeleted the article so that it could be edited to add the new information on her notability, based on a request to do so on DRV. Perhaps, instead of voting to speedy delete, you could just go add the information posted above?
    Phil Sandifer 18:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • Perhaps I could, but why should I, when I disagree that she's notable? User:Zoe|(talk) 01:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete because of the last.fm stats: Vanessa Jean Dedmon has 95 fans, while Kelly Clarkson (American Idol graduate) has 167,301 fans. The article does not assert her notability or her passing of
  WP:MUSIC. Ultra-Loser Talk / Contributions 01:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep charting musicians per WP:MUSIC, and reality contestents, especially finalists, should get articles. --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep per
  WP:MUSIC. Her debut single will be listed in the official German single charts at #17 from this Friday on (see: Musikwoche). -- Citius 15:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep, speedy or slow. During the last AfD, she hadn't met WP:MUSIC yet, so the article was rightfully deleted. She now meets WP:MUSIC (a charted hit in at least one large or medium-sized country), so this time the article should be kept. Aecis ^{Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984.} 21:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, according to Citius, she won't have charted until Friday. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • To be more precise: the charts with Dedmon entering at #17 are already availiable, only the official publication date is Friday -- Citius 15:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • So we should delete and then recreate in 48 hours?
      Phil Sandifer 18:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • Well, we also add artists to the
        Hot 100 number-one hits of 2006 (USA) as soon as the information is availiable, i.e. ten days before the official publication date. -- Citius 23:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
        ]
• Keep, as per Toth. Smeelgova 04:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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