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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 02:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wendela Bicker

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Article is a mix of genealogy and story of meeting her husband. No indication of notability as notability is not

WP:GNG. As merge would be opposed, moving to AfD. Slywriter (talk) 02:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Keep. Clearly meets WP:GNG because she has an entry in a standard national bibliographic dictionary of the Netherlands, namely the Nieuw Nederlandsch Biografisch Woordenboek. See https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/molh003nieu10_01/molh003nieu10_01_0115.php. She was the spouse of the leader of government at the time. There are several portraits of her. One of her portraits is in the collection of the Rijksmuseum. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:21, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
National bibliographic is not a criteria of
WP:NOPAGE leans to a redirect so that all relevant information can be found in one place.Slywriter (talk) 02:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply
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OK. Fair enough. Her entry in the bibliographic dictionary establishes likely notability. Therefore, I insist that we keep. There is much more to say about her, for example that she was, like it or not, a role model. Romeijn says "she was not especially beautiful, nor smart, but she was a dedicated low-profile housewife who loved her husband and in twelve years of marriage gave him eight children". That was meant as praise. Her correspondence and her cash register of the household provide nonetheless a unique source of information about how the leading statesman lived. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 14:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I Think she meets Notablity, she was the spouse of the long-term leader of a influential country, she has several portrait (incl. one by a very famous British Artist), she has a vast family history and is in the Dutch Bibliographic Dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DailyJew (talk • contribs) 04:03, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Being someone's spouse is definitely not grounds for notability given
WP:NOTINHERITED. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Comment By that Logic, none of the First Ladies of any country or Prime Ministerial Spouses. 🤔 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DailyJew (talk • contribs) 18:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That is correct, they are not inherently notable because they are spouses - the ones with articles are notable on their own merit because sufficient independant significant sources exist for them to meet
WP:GNG. First Lady is a position in it's own right. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply
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I summarized my arguments for notability in the lead section of the article. Are you convinced? Slywriter (talk · contribs), Novemberjazz (talk · contribs) and Kj cheetham (talk · contribs)?Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:19, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, as it is not a proper lede and any article needing a lede written that way to justify its existence is a sign that it is not notable. Slywriter (talk) 18:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed a lot less lede should be necessary. If you´re still topic of analysis 400 years after your death, Wikipedia needs an article about you. Simple. I guess we´ll have all the time in the world to improve the lede and everything. Thanks for the nomination because it gave me the opportunity to learn more about this fascinating story. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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