Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zsa Zsa Riordan (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zsa Zsa Riordan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable junior level skater. She has never competed internationally for Poland or the US. Notable competitions for juniors include the

• Delete per nom. Dr.frog 12:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.
  Talk to me 20:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete - per nom: eminently non-notable. Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 22:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep How is she less notable than at the time of the last AfD? --Poetlister 19:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment She wasn't notable at the time of the first AfD, either.  :-P Dr.frog 02:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I repeat what I said in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zsa Zsa Riordan: She passes the criteria for her achievements in Poland - nonsense to suggest that she has ceased to be notable. - Brownlee 21:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Hi. Could you explain how you think she passes the criterea? I'm not sure I understand what criterea you're using to call her notable. She hasn't stopped being a junior level skater and she hasn't started competing internationally (I waited until now to renom to see if she was going to Junior Worlds). I'm curious, because you made the same assertion in the first AfD, but never explained what you meant. Kolindigo 00:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: People might want to refer to the figure skating competition article for additional background information about what competitions are and aren't considered "the highest level" in this sport, per Wikipedia:Notability (people).Dr.frog 13:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep : She is a two time medalist in Polish Nationals and will probably compete next season internationally anyway (two seasons are just passing) (Kyleall 21:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Comment: Her two medals were on the junior level, not the senior. Kolindigo 21:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It is a strange procedure to move for AfD on grounds that seem to apply only to this article. I cannot see that there is any established Wikipedia policy that requires deletion.--Holdenhurst 22:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - there was a discussion in WikiProject Figure Skating regarding notability and how it fits in with "highest level of amatuer sport". See also the AfDs for Zuzanna Brzosko (deleted as nonnotable junior) Michael Solonoski (deleted as completely non notable), Michelle Boulos (keep - competed at senior level at her nationals), Megan Williams-Stewart (keep - competed at senior level at her nationals and won an international competition), Melissa Bulanhagui (keep - competed on the Junior Grand Prix and qualified for the Junior Grand Prix Final). Kolindigo 23:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Isn't that the point? A discussion on a WikiProject page doesn't establish any sort of policy. Start a policy page, advertise it on WP:VPP, get a consensus on these proposals (if you can) and then apply them.--Osidge 17:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The objection isn't "grounds that seem to apply only to this article", but rather, the criteria specified in Wikipedia:Notability (people): "Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports..." Riordan clearly has not competed at the "highest level" in the sport of figure skating. She has only competed at the junior level (not the highest, or senior level) within her country; has never been a member of her country's national team; and has never participated in any international events that have "equivalent standing" as elite or notable competitions within the sport of figure skating. The reason why it may seem that Riordan is being singled out here is that none of the thousands of other non-notable figure skaters with similar levels of achievement in the sport are the subject of Wikipedia articles. Dr.frog 23:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep There is no reason to delete.--Osidge 17:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.