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Category:Disappeared ships

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 00:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Disappeared ships to Category:Missing ships
Nominator's rationale: Rename - one of only three categories that uses "disappeared" instead of "missing" and the same issue of deliberateness applies to this one as the others. Note the subcat is for "missing" submarines, not "disappeared" ones. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. English has enough words, rules and exceptions without having to use disappeared as an adjective. Sounds wrong. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- the usual reason for disappearance will be that they sunk at sea. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Disappeared mobsters

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 02:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Disappeared mobsters to Category:Missing mobsters
Nominator's rationale: Rename - the same rationale applies to this category as to "Disappeared people" below but I nominated them separately because I can foresee differing results. An alternate proposal would be Category:Mobsters who went missing. This is the only "missing people by profession" category so if that's not considered a viable category tree this could also be upmerged to its parents. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 22:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • REname to accord with outcome for "Disappeared people". I can think of two reasons for disappearance, murdered by rivals or run-away. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Disappeared people

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The result of the discussion was: rename. People vs Persons can be discussed later, but I'm going to move this as nominated. Courcelles 02:17, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Disappeared people to Category:Missing people
Nominator's rationale: Rename - "disappeared" implies to me that there was action taken to make the person disappear which is not true in all cases. Currently "Missing people" is a redirect to this category. There was a CFR years ago suggesting a rename to "People who disappeared" which closed no consensus. If that name or another name is preferred, I'm good. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 22:55, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • People may be normal, but missing persons is clearly the term in common use. We don't always follow the parents when there is a good reason to deviate. I'm thinking this is one of those cases. Are there any 'missing people' divisions in police departments? Vegaswikian (talk) 23:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see any reason why this should be the only category on Wikipedia that uses "persons" instead of "people" (the only one currently is up for renaming). Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 00:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Knights of the Order of the Dutch Lion

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 00:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Knights of the Order of the Dutch Lion to Category:Knights of the Order of the Netherlands Lion
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The proposed name is the correct English translation of the Dutch title.
talk) 22:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of the Dutch Lion

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Courcelles 00:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of the Dutch Lion to Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of the Netherlands Lion
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The proposed category name is the correct English translation of the Dutch title.
talk) 22:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Knights First Class of the Order of the Zähringer Lion

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2010 AUG 1 CFD since category was not tagged for renaming. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Knights First Class of the Order of the Zähringer Lion to Category:Knights Cross First Class of the Order of the Zähringer Lion
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The proposed name is the correct English translation of the German title.
talk) 22:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Knights Second Class of the Order of the Zähringer Lion

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2010 AUG 1 CFD since category was not tagged for renaming. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Knights Second Class of the Order of the Zähringer Lion to Category:Knights Cross Second Class of the Order of the Zähringer Lion
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The proposed category name is the correct English translation of the German title.
talk) 22:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Singing teachers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Courcelles 02:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Singing teachers to Category:Voice teachers
Nominator's rationale: Merge. This is a follow on to this discussion. That discussion recommend that we also consider merging this in, so starting that discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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CfdAustralianCityCategories

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The result of the discussion was: keep all. Courcelles 02:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People from Bowral, New South Wales to Category:People from Bowral
Nominator's rationale: Rename. as below. Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:14, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People from Ararat, Victoria to Category:People from Ararat
Nominator's rationale: Rename. as below Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People from Alice Springs, Northern Territory to Category:People from Alice Springs
Nominator's rationale: Rename....as others. Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People from Albury, New South Wales to Category:People from Albury
Nominator's rationale: Rename. No disambiguation is required for this category; whilst the convention for Australian towns and localities is compulsory disambiguation by name of state this is not the case when carried through to categories where many (eg Category:People from Ballarat) do not use the disambiguation. This nomination of a group of categories is done in the interest of standardisation Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:42, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all – the article is
    talk) 11:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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  • There are several places called
    talk) 17:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment Do you mean normal on Wikipedia or normal in general. I can assure you that Wikipedia is the only place where appending the state name to the town is normal in Australia. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this a hoax? Sorry. We specify the state, even though the state is redundant with the postcode. Is Australia, we consider the state to be important, and it is frequently required for disambiguation. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
comment the discussions Mayumashu is referring have come to no conclusion nor do they appear to be reaching the any form on "new" convention it is inappropriate to suggest such a claim. Gnangarra 05:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Active Mexican expatriate footballers

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. Courcelles 02:27, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Active Mexican expatriate footballers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Biographies should not be categorised based on the activity status of the subject. –
Jay 08:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Social responsibility

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Courcelles 19:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Social responsibility (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This appears to be another of those categories related to a JEL code. Based on the definition there, this is in the area of Business administration and business economics; marketing; with the sub classification being business administration further subdivided into corporate culture. I am not convinced that this is the correct way to classify articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bioethanol producers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Relisted to 9 August. Courcelles 19:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Bioethanol producers to Category:Ethanol producers
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Isn't 99% if this produced by fermentation? Vegaswikian (talk) 02:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Deletion should also be on the table since most if not all of the members here are included based on the feedstocks they are using. That should not be a defining characteristic for a company. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment. The category does not attempt to list the "99% of this produced" (the list of major producers will be a blend of "top agro" and "top chemical" lists for each region). It shies away from mainstream manufacturing technologies, instead listing emerging, experimental processes ("manure? I hate manure!"). Wood alcohol is commonplace outside of North America, but it is unusual for the U.S. market, thus
    Archer Daniels Midland (which is lightyears larger in the ethanol market) is not. I don't care much about merging, but in case of a merge decision the category must be repopulated with significant ethanol producers. Right now it's "fringe technology", after merge it should be "mainstream technology" in the first place. another comment. The category mixes up the concepts of a company (business) and a plant (thing). Most entries are corporations, others (Blue Flint Ethanol) are standalone plants operated by someone else (Headwaters Incorporated in this example). East of Borschov 07:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply
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