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Category:Iron ore mining locations in Western Australia

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The result of the discussion was: rename and purge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Clarification - this category is for articles about mines (see the parent categories) rather than for articles about places in which there is a mine. After rename this should be purged of articles such as Newman that are about towns etc rather than specifically about mines (some could be moved to Category:Mining_towns_in_Western_Australia). For info: This is the only "...mining locations..." category in WP:EN. DexDor (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
corrected by adding "in" to proposed new title. DexDor (talk) 06:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - disagree with the proposed change - also the lack of 'in' in the title makes it read as if created by a machine translator - For info: I am sure there is no other category on wp en with a title lacking the recquisite 'in' or 'of' or whatever

satusuro 01:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Miami FC/FTL Strikers

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The result of the discussion was: merge/rename/delete as nominated, except in the following cases:
(
NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 07:59, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: per
WP:OVERCAT. No clue why these categories were created in the first place. There's also some empty categories that need to go. Plus a few of these clubs have absolutely nothing to do with the Fort Lauderdale Strikers. – Michael (talk) 18:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – Michael (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. – Michael (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question. When were the season categories being proposed for deletion emptied? Vegaswikian (talk) 00:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No no no, they were empty the whole time. Especially the season categories. – Michael (talk) 01:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi everyone. I am the person who spent several hours and days organizing the entire category log of the Fort Lauderdale Strikers to a more coherent format. Kindly disregard the entire proposal made by the user above. These categories were painstakingly done as I am inserting all the information for each season of these teams along with help from other participating Wiki collaborators. Furthermore, contrary to what the user above may erroneously believe, all these teams are part of the historical club of the Fort Lauderdale Strikers as a whole. Before, the information was scattered and it was a real mess. Now, a reader can go through and see a well organized catalog, timeline, and lineage. All these suggestions being made above are done so without proper thought or conversation. The user might have noticed by the contributions that I was the one doing all this massive work. At best, the user could have contacted me and simply asked a few questions that we could have discussed amicably and I would have explained everything in detail. Yet, I found this by happenstance. This idea of merging, deleting, and renaming is done without real depth of the historical account of the club. Everything is truly accurate and appropriate. Please, let's leave it the way it is as it is finally corrected after all these years. NYCWikiKid (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies for not talking about this on your talk page. However, this is not correct. As a matter of fact, a few of these categories violate
WP:OVERCAT, so I don't see why we can't move these categories because everything was correct the first time. – Michael (talk) 03:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Delete & merge all as defined by the nominator - unneccessary (and incorrect!) disambiguation, NYCWikiKid has already been warned about disruptive (i.e. undsicussed & controversial) moves. GiantSnowman 09:02, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all (or most), one category per club, not one per club per franchise. Separate ones for players, seasons etc. where appropriate. This should apply even where the club is renamed, though possibly not if it is also relocated to a new city. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:05, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not support
  • The only proposal here that is valid is - :* Propose renaming Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (1977-83) to Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (1977–83). That is it.
  • Other than that, these are not being thought out. To affirm, I am a positive contributor to Wikipedia. Anyone is free to look up my entire history logs since day one. I do things methodically and with respect to the site.
  • The information is now organized, so I ask admins to please go through everything I have done in relation to this topic and really explore Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers to see how well organized it is. Please look at how it was before - everything was scattered and placed incorrectly, leading to confusion and overlapping.
  • Peter, I think you may not be analyzing the actual category correctly. Each category is specific to one team (as you request). Each team has their own information (players, seasons, etc), which is synonymous to all other teams listed in Wikipedia. What I also did was placed all these teams under one category which is the Fort Lauderdale Strikers club as they form part of the club's history. That is it. I ask, that you take your time in exploring the information and really see how well it is cataloged. NYCWikiKid (talk) 14:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Holidays and observances by frequency (undefined)

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. Editors had difficulty understanding the purpose of these hidden maintenance categories, and the creator had difficulty explaining it. Two of the three editors who expressed a preference supported deletion, and since there was clearly no consensus that these categories served a clear purpose, I weigh the outcome as a consensus to delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:39, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also nominating the following "undefined" categories:
Nominator's rationale: Delete. I'm not sure I understand the categorization. Are these holidays and observances defined by their undefined frequency/duration scheduling? Even more confusing are the empty parenthetical "()" categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:31, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment –
    Oculi (talk) 08:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Merge-- Category:Holidays and observances by frequency and Category:Holidays and observances by duration seem to cover the subject without "()" or "(UNDEFINED)". Some of the undefined ones seem to be annual, but according to a different calendar, such as a lunar one. Others may be irregular pilgrimages. The whole thing is a mess and needs a lot of sorting, but we cannot easily do that though a CFD. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The main point of "undefined" is to determine it for these holidays by adding the relevant fields to the infobox. -- 签名 sig at 16:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "undefined" is used by the template as long as the frequency hasn't been determined. It is a pure maintenance category and thus not visible to the general public. Obviously it can be deleted once we defined the frequency/duration for each holiday. -- 签名 sig at 16:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is at best an inaccurate explanation. Take Advent which can start between November 27 and December 3 and ends December 24. So the duration is 'between 21 and 28 days'. However duration is listed as optional in the template which says that this parameter is not needed so categorization into one of the above categories is not an exception. It may well be better to make this parameter required and display a missing parameter error in red to highlight this fact. That may do a better job of getting these filled in. Also the help should be expanded to explain what to do in a case like this. For the record I came here trying to close this and found this by doing some digging and research. If I need to take a position, it would be merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Note that if the closer wishes to close this as a delete based on the discussion and the difficulty of modifying the template, I would not oppose that as the outcome. In fact I'm no longer sure that a merge makes sense or can actually be implemented without causing confusion. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Peplum film actors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (
NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 10:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Delete Category:Peplum film actors
  • Nominator's rationale We really do not want to categorize actors by which genres they were in. Actors move from genre to genre a lot. They move from medium to medium a lot, but genre hoping is almost universal. John Wayne may be very heavily associated with Westerns, but he was in lots of films that were not Westerns. The one place this might work is with musicals, but even there it would probably not really solve much.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - categorizing actors by the genre of work in which they appear is untenable. Actors routinely cross genres and mediums and categorizing them all will lead to category clutter. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator....William 14:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Atlético Junior

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 19:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The main article of the category is
Junior F.C.. Armbrust The Homunculus 01:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Nuseibeh family

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:41, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The main article of the category is
Nusaybah clan. Armbrust The Homunculus 01:44, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Stunt actors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. per a stub article (which I
boldly redirected to Stunt performer) a stunt actor is someone who portrays a significant acting role in a production while also performing his or her own stunts without use of a stunt double. I cannot locate independent reliable sources that indicate the term is in use under this meaning. Most sources use it to mean a standard stuntman or stuntwoman. Inclusion criteria are vague to the point of non-existence; a list at that same redirected article includes a disparate collection of entries, none of them sourced. Lynda Carter once dangled off a helicopter for a shot in an episode of Wonder Woman; could she reasonably be included here? If any of these people is described in reliable sources as a stunt performer (as opposed to an actor who performs some of his or her own stunts) they can be individually added to Category:Stunt performers. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Any merger should be manual and based on reliably sourced information in the individual articles. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 12:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Washington Darts (ASL) players

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 04:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Keeping distinction of each team's existence. Thanks. NYCWikiKid (talk) 00:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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