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Category:Cultural depictions of people associated with the Dutch East India Company

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, too vague, in the tree of Category:Cultural depictions of people this is the only subcategory not dedicated to a single person. No need to merge, the articles are already in parent Category:Works relating to the Dutch East India Company. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Andover, New Jersey

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus . The article on the town lists five notable residents with citations, so the category appears to pass
WP:SMALLCAT. – Fayenatic London 23:33, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. One county community with a population of less than 700 with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:20, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
A case of creative categorizing One of those additions is unreferenced. The other two, one says 'Near Andover'. Near Foo isn't Foo. The other was an article about a firearms company based in Andover, not a people article. The category was removed from the last two pages. An argument will be made for all three. I'll let the closing administrator decide but they should clearly note the actions you're taking....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:50, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've reached out multiple times to
WP:SMALLCAT argument. The same case has been made here; all of the articles where WilliamJE removed categories were addressed and his misrepresentations regarding the articles included have been rebutted. I have asked him to withdraw this nomination as a show of good faith. I'll let the closing administrator decide but the lack of good faith effort by the nominator to acknowledge that the issues have been addressed raises serious concerns here. Alansohn (talk) 23:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
      • Again I have to start an ANI case against you. Your multiple personal attacks by accusing me of bad faith which are DEAD WRONG when in your case you make a bogus edit[1] here to mislead a CFD. It is a company , not a biography about a person. The article makes it clear. A people category doesn't belong there and any experienced editor at categorizing would know that. Which means their is another motivation for that edit. Tell me where you've categorized another New Jersey company People from? I don't expect an answer. Your 'I spent some time trying to find the underlying for sources for Howe, but they're in books not available (and verifiable) online is HOGWASH. AGF isn't a suicide pact and your editing speaks for itself....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • WilliamJE, your repeated bad faith allegations are undermining any legitimate claim you might have had. 1) The number of articles in the category has been expanded beyond your arbitrary minimum; 2) The sources where you raised issues have been replaces with ones that meet any objective standard of reliable and verifiable sourcing; 3) Your actions and allegations are not only false, but appear to be your entire justification for deletion; and 4) You have refused to engage in discussion to address whatever concerns and, instead, doubled down on the shrill rants and made further threats. It's time to head to the roof and stop this abuse of process; either raise legitimate concerns with the articles in the category or their sources, or just simply acknowledge that the issues have been addressed, which would undo so much of your bad faith actions here. Alansohn (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge per nom. There are only 142,522 people in the whole county (140 or so articles) so I don't see any point in these endless small subcats.
    Oculi (talk) 00:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Minor league baseball in Dayton, Ohio

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The result of the discussion was: Rename/rescope to Category:Baseball in Dayton, Ohio. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:28, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to the two Ohio-related categories and diffuse into all appropriate subcategories of Category:minor league baseball. Needlessly narrow--although there are several teams related to Dayton, there is no scheme of Category:Minor league baseball by city in the United States/. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:13, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Film auteurs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have started a List of film auteurs as there is scope for it to be a useful complement to Auteur. – Fayenatic London 21:05, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a legit concept in film criticism, but to make it a Wikipedia category about is too
subjective. From what I can tell, it's mostly used to puff up biographies of editors' favorite directors. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:20, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Delete.Fails
    WP:CATDEF
    . While I don't dispute the label as applied to certain film directors it is non-defining. If you look at some of the articles in this catgeory this is what you have:
  • Heywood "Woody" Allen[1] (born Allan Stewart Konigsberg; December 1, 1935)[2] is an American director, writer, actor, comedian, playwright, and musician whose career spans more than six decades.
  • Pedro Almodóvar Caballero (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈpeðɾo almoˈðoβar kaβaˈʝeɾo]; born 25 September 1949)[1] is a Spanish film director, screenwriter, producer and former actor.
  • Robert Bernard Altman (/ˈɔːltmən/; February 20, 1925 – November 20, 2006) was an American film director, screenwriter, and film producer.
  • Paul Thomas Anderson (born June 26, 1970) also known as P.T. Anderson, is an American filmmaker.
  • Wesley Wales "Wes" Anderson (born May 1, 1969) is an American film director, film producer, screenwriter, and actor.
It is not used as a primary descriptor in a single one of these articles. If you were asked about what kind of director Woody Allen is you would probably say a comedy-director or something; I doubt the term "auteur" would be principally used to describe any of the above film-makers. I think there is a huge grey area as well which could prove to be problematic: could somebody like Spielberg be described as an "auteur"? He has spent most of his career making mainstream genre films but has definitely displayed auteur tendencies. Betty Logan (talk) 20:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Organizations based in Poland

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The result of the discussion was: option A. – Fayenatic London 21:27, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming under one of the following options:

Option A - "Organizations" to "Organisations
Option B - "Organisations" to "Organizations

Rationale: These categories all have te same national scope, so they should have the same ENGVAR usage. And there's certainly no reason to have both spellings for the "Defunct" categoiries. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any source to support your assertion? AusLondonder (talk) 19:09, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:SECONDARY sources in the form of children that actually have compulsory English lessons at school. When I attended school in Poland (for a brief amount of time) I was also taught British English. I'm trying to find an e-textbook of the ones they use in Poland to reference, but this is not going very well. Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 08:24, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Animal user templates

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy merge as supported by creater. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:22, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Origin contains two pages; destination is similarly named and contains 132 pages. Waz8:T-C-E 02:00, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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