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Category:People from Tonnerre

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match name of head article, Tonnerre, Yonne. DuncanHill (talk) 23:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bandy World Championship-winning players

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The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No clear distinction between the child and the parent, which has no other content. SFB 19:21, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Olympic javelin throwers

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion at the Olympics Project, this seems like overkill/overcatting to have categories for each event under the track and field banner, and will lead to category clutter. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Merging all events under track and field would be unwieldy. If it's really that important to keep some of them together, we could have a category just for runners or distance and sprint runners to keep from proliferation. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Olympic athletes (track and field) are already divided by year and country. I don't find either of these two branches too unwieldy – most nations have had less than 100 Olympic athletics entrants in their history and even for the most populous countries like China, that figure is just over 300. The yearly one is admittedly quite large at around 2000 athletes for the last few Games, but I think dividing this further by event will lead to an unsatisfactory outcome for many articles in terms of category clutter. For example, the Carl Lewis article already has 11 Olympic categories and if we divide the years by each event this will double that number to 22 (between his 100 m, 200 m, long jump and relay appearances in multiple years). Lewis is not unique in that issue, but is emblematic of how the sport of athletics works. The athletics categorisation scheme is already heavy with tiny categories – there are around 1200 javelin thrower biographies and already nearly 300 javelin thrower categories. I don't think we should be adding to that. SFB 20:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment 200 pages can be seen in a category (without clicking next), so don't you think 2000+ is bit too much? What's actually the point of categorization? All the categories are on the bottom of the article, so I don't see a problem with that. 100m and 200m don't have to be separated, like Koavf said. What about Carl Lewis and "People from Willingboro Township, New Jersey", "Sportspeople from Birmingham, Alabama", "Track and field athletes from New Jersey", "Track and field athletes from California", "Sportspeople from Burlington County, New Jersey"? I usually see 1 cat for this matter. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Justin (Koavf), and as a logical intersection with Category:Javelin throwers. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:11, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and populate with related subcategories according to the Category:Track and field athletes. 91.124.117.29 (talk) 01:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kerp -- I see no reason not to split this by sport, javelin, discus, high jump, etc are all track and field disciplines, but with little crossover between them. I would not advocate a split between runners. Though 100m specialists probably do not do 1000m or 5000m, there is likely to be a continuum. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Competitors at multi-sport events by country

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 13:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sub-noms
Nominator's rationale: International sports events often feature delegations which are not country-based. These may be non-country federations, such as Hong Kong or Gibraltar, or governing body-led delegations, such as refugee and non-aligned teams. As such, the use of the word "country" in this tree is not helpful to categorisation. Delegation (which does not denotes the notion of country) is a phrase often used in relation these teams and is broad enough to capture the relevant concepts. SFB 18:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning to oppose. The nominator makes a good case, but en.wp categorisation rightly takes a broad view of the scope of country, including non-sovereign territories such as Hong Kong and Gibraltar, and territories with limited recognition such as Kosovo. we wouldn't help our readers by being pedantic about whether e.g. the
    Palestine at the Summer Olympics
    is a country.
All the rest of our categorisation of sport is by country/nationality, and it would be a pity to break that convention.
I would prefer to either:
  1. continue with the anomaly of a few non-country delegations in "by country" categories, or
  2. create parallel categories for non-territorial delegations
However, I fear that if we create an alternative to countries, we will tempt some people to start arguing about where best to put Palestine and the Unified Team. So overall, I say best leave well alone. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, the logic of this convention of linking nationality with a person having competed for a team at an event only goes one level higher, starting at Category:Sports competitors by nationality and competition. If the concept of delegations is split from nationality, the national delegation categories would still remain directly in the nationality tree via categories such as Category:Chinese competitors by sports event. Another key caveat here is that sports nationality is distinct from legal nationality and non-nationals may compete for sports national teams for which they do not hold citizenship. SFB 02:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By necessity, en.wp categories are not based on legal nationality. It is v rare for biographical sources to include authoritative info on legal nationality. -BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inclined to keep -- The inclusion of a few delegations from non-sovereign polities should not be allowed to upset the scheme. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Great Lakes Premier League seasons

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All listed article in the category was redirected/merged to one article per AfD. So no need.
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Delete I started it when the seasons had separate pages and the league had ambitions, so need for it any longer. Red Jay (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Manned missions to Mars

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The result of the discussion was: rename per Talk:Human mission to Mars#Requested_move_5_March_2018. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Change to gender neutral like the main article
Manned mission to Mars is actually a redirect). Golan's mom (talk) 08:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
Hi see discussion at the main article Talk:Human_mission_to_Mars#Requested_move_5_March_2018 Golan's mom (talk) 09:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Manned Soyuz missions

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The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Change to gender neutral as also women participate in these flights. Golan's mom (talk) 08:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Manned spacecraft

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The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Change to gender neutral like the main article
List of manned spacecraft is actually a redirect). Golan's mom (talk) 08:18, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
main article List of crewed spacecraft has been changed without contest since August 2016. see version history Golan's mom (talk) 10:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Proper gender neutral term, as dictated by NASA style guidelines.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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