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Category:FC Tsarsko Selo Sofia players

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The result of the discussion was: reverse merge per GiantSnowman. – Fayenatic London 05:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. Could also be merged the other way around, as the article name is FC Tsarsko Selo Sofia. Sørhaug (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musician video games

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 22:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The title is confusing, as it could refer to games where the player is a musician (i.e. Gitaroo Man) rather than based on them as it clearly implies. Also, a musician simply appearing in a game is not defining, so the proposed title runs less afoul of
WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2022 (UTC) [reply]
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Category:Criticism of work

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 25#Category:Criticism of work

Category:Films shot in 16mm

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We recently had a discussion about sorting films by their presented aspect ratios. I believe that discussion applies to mm formats as well.
talk) 16:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
These are low-budget, independent films, intentionally avoiding digital lensing. This category was deleted in 2007, film esthetics have changed. 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Will you be
I'm looking at some of the articles in the category, and am struggling to see how being filmed in 16mm is defining to the film. For example, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre makes no mention of this in the lead, and it's buried mid-way down the article (in the filming section). No-one who's asked have you seen The Texas Chain Saw Massacre replies with the answer - "That film shot in 16mm? Yeah!" Some other articles mention it somewhere, some do not. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: It still possesses that characteristic if some sources don't mention it. Kire1975 (talk) 11:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: "Have you seen Citizen Kane or It's a Wonderful Life?" No one is gonna say "the black and white film?" If the precedent continues with this deletion proposal, will Category:Black-and-white films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) be next in the firing squad? Kire1975 (talk) 11:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, those movies are well-known for being in black-and-white since it's obvious to the person watching the film. However, it is not obvious if a film was shot in 16mm unless there's a reliable source/interview that says so.
talk) 12:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Reply Even if you could prove that, there's nothing about obviousness on
WP:DEFINING. Kire1975 (talk) 13:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Well, I believe that all existing categories are somewhat obvious. Country of origin, who made the film, when it was released, where the film's story is set and what's it about, and who released the film can be found quite easily. The way the film was shot, like its aspect ratio or the type of cameras and stock film (mm) that were used are not. They require a source to verify.
talk) 13:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ibn Saud. – Fayenatic London 22:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:OCEPON, very thinly populated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Support for the deletion, it is redundant. In addition, the article for the subject is Ibn Saud. So there would be confusion for the readers.--Egeymi (talk) 04:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as there are a number of articles that could fit under the category, e.g. battles leading to the formation of his kingdom, his advisors, family members, etc. See as examples Category:Cleopatra and Category:Edward I of England. Векочел (talk) 13:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would result in a
    WP:OCASSOC category. These articles are not about Abdulaziz. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Modal jazz drummers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 24#Category:Modal jazz drummers

Category:Modal jazz flautists

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The result of the discussion was:
soft delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Too small a category with little chance of expansion. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jazz vibraphonists by genre

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) JBchrch talk 12:15, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: I do not know how to nominate several subcategories for deletion, but one thing that is clear is that all of the subcategories for "Category:Jazz vibraphonists by genre" need to absolutely be deleted. A simple "Category:Jazz vibraphonists" would be all that's needed. Why? I Ask (talk) 05:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Six is the maximum here and that applies to one subcategory only. With currently only 16 articles in this tree in total this split is really not helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: These sit under the Category:Musicians by instrument and genre tree so "are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme", which would suggest their retention. That said, the problems mentioned above (small numbers, duplicated appearance across multiple categories) are a consequence of excessive genre-chopping; using Petscan shows interection between Jazz vibraphonists and <subgenre> musicians which could give some extension (as well as omissions such as Bebop vibrophonists), but some of the current subgenres just make it a struggle to find anyone (e.g. Gary Burton). AllyD (talk) 08:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Research institutes in the District of Columbia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Nangaf (talk) 04:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain - There's a three character difference and the nominator didn't bother to post a rationale. What's the point? Kire1975 (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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