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Category:15th-century actors by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is the only category in the parent ( 15th-century actors ), which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 22:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Free and open-source software programmed in C

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Category:Nigerian films about Alzheimer's disease

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This category is not helpful for navigation. There's only one page in each category. Mason (talk) 17:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:List of railroad of the United States by state or territory

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Previous move introduced grammar errors which would be corrected by this move. Courtesy ping to User:Aidan721. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, could be speedied. Mason (talk) 17:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian mid-20th century modern painters

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Category:1190s establishments in the Ayyubid Sultanate

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Cultural depictions of Byzantine princesses

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The result of the discussion was: delete all.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories, and each has only one article about the subject herself. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:47, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. Mason (talk) 17:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musicals originally directed by George Abbott

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: As at
WP:PERFCAT.
Unlike films, theatrical plays can have literally hundreds or thousands of new productions, each with a different director -- but they aren't more defined by who directed the first production than by who directed the second, third, fifth, five hundredth or ten thousandth productions. (Also, plays can sometimes have small regional productions in smaller theatre markets before working their way up to the Broadway/West End level — meaning that a play's first production and its fame-making major-theatre-mecca production aren't necessarily always the same thing, rendering "originally directed" categories effectively unmaintainable for accuracy.)
So until all of these were created in the past couple of weeks, we simply didn't have any comprehensive scheme of categorizing stage productions by the identity of their directors, first or otherwise -- and, again, we already deleted the only prior attempt to start a new one. Noteworthy productions can certainly be listed in the directors' articles, if they aren't already, but it isn't a useful or defining point of categorization. Bearcat (talk) 17:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Hi Bearcat. I would respectfully disagree. Directors are absolutely crucial in theatre during the development of a work because that is when the script is still evolving. I believe most histories of theatre works would support this. For instance, Mike Nichols was absolutely crucial to the evolution of Neil Simon's plays when Nichols directed it. Jerome Robbins, Hap Prince and George Abbott were frequently considered co-creators of musicals they directed. This is indeed reflected in the fact they typically get a permanent royalty for these plays. The original directors have only been listed when they are major directors and where the directors definitely directed the first productions. I absolutely take your point that directors should be not credited where they did not do the first perfomannce (eg Mike Nicols directed the Broadway debut of many plays that had been performed elsewhere - these are not included). I feel the entries for many plays and musicals on wikipedia are under-categorised, and categorising them by director, if the director is key, could be extremely useful. (I should also add I appreciate that you made your points with conciseness, grace and courtesy!) Britfilm (talk) 10:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that Wikipedia editors do not typically pay attention to nuanced usage notes, and simply add articles to any category they think applicable and walk away without making any effort to see if they're doing it wrong. So people would absolutely add any play ever directed by Mike Nichols at all to his category if he directed the production they'd heard of, without undertaking any investigation of whether he actually directed the first production or not — which makes the categories unmaintainable, because we have no viable way to ensure that the category only gets used correctly and never gets used incorrectly. Bearcat (talk) 21:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Theoretically this might be useful, in practice Bearcat's point that it is difficult to get right overrides that value. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete per @Pppery Mason (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Pppery. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sikhism in the United States by state

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Only covers two states and not heavily populated; contains one category and two articles respectively. Delete the first two and merge the remaining with parent categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kentucky Territory judges

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Category:Michigan Pioneers

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:28, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1816 Illinois Territory elections

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only a redirect in here. Mason (talk) 14:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people of Mexican descent by state

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Has only one category which, in turn, has only two. Delete the two parent categories and merge dual merge the two subcats with their respective state categories the categories mentioned. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bahá'í Faith in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Delete Minnesota category; contains only one article. Upmerge parent category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Japanese pages

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The result of the discussion was: split.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category. There's no page occupation. The Page (servant) is in the Domestic work category. Mason (talk) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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People by populated place in the United States

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Category:Cultural depictions of female monarchs

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Category:Fictional Tamil people

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: delete for now, category contains only one character for whom Tamil ethnicity isn't particularly defining. The article is already in Category:Fictional American characters of Indian descent.
Nominator's rationale: delete for now, category contains only one character for whom Punjabi ethnicity isn't particularly defining. The article is already in Category:Fictional American characters of Pakistani descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both. How is ethnicity "non-defining"? I reject this notion of deleting categories just because they are "small". I'm sure that you could sort through Category:Fictional Indian people and Category:Fictional Pakistani people and find multiple more examples of Bengali, Punjabi, Tamil, etc characters too. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tamil and Punjabi ethnicity was defining for the characters' ancestors who lived in India and Pakistan, but for someone living in the United States it is rather trivial. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I checked the sole page within Category:Fictional Punjabi people (Bilqees Kaur); the subject is apparently about a Pakistani Punjabi Sikh immigrant and revolves around the title character's ethnic/religious identity, so I do not think that's a non-defining characteristic. AHI-3000 (talk) 02:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Regardless of whether this is defining for the characters, we don't have enough to support these categories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Cultural depictions by nationality and gender‎

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Category:Circle (TV network) affiliates

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Category:Assassinated monarchs by time

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, also considering that the parent category contains very few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Assassinated Caribbean monarchs

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge (pick your favorite term).
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. extremely narrow category, there isn't even a Caribbean monarchs category... Mason (talk) 03:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Immigrant ships to Western Australia

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one ship in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ankara Keçiörengücü SK

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The result of the discussion was: reverse merge followed my a rename. I realize that
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: To be consistent with the home page title Sakiv (talk) 02:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Muslim women

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category where the name encourages egrs Mason (talk) 02:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Muslim women musicians

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: No need to have this intersect with gender Mason (talk) 02:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Muslim women by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation with only one category in here: also
WP:EGRS/R Mason (talk) 02:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Patent holders

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