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Category:Former Ikawa Line Stations

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seems to be a different spelling of Category:Stations of Ōigawa Railway. No other sub-cats of Category:Railway stations in Japan by company have "former" sub-cats except for the special case of Category:Kabe Line suspended stations. – Fayenatic London 21:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
    Ōigawa Railway Ikawa Line is a branch line. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Post–World War II synagogue architecture

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Synagogues by year of completion. In contrast to what the parent category suggests, the content is not about a particular architecturale style. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Puerto Rican luthiers

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category. (The person is already in Puerto Rican music educators, so only one target is needed) Mason (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Civil servants from Winnipeg

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category for an overly narrow intersection of characteristics. There's no defining relationship between civil service and being from Winnipeg per se, so the only basis for this would be if the parent category needed diffusion on size grounds -- but with only three people here and only four in the parent, that hasn't been established. (Upmerging to Category:People from Winnipeg not needed, as all three people here are already in other subcategories of that as it is.) Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 2#Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Category:Asian American music

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Other than
C2C with the rest of Category:Asian-American culture. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Comment. The category already exists, and is called. Category:American musicians of Asian descent. Also if the category isn't merged, then it should be renamed to Asian-American music. Mason (talk) 20:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brain cancers

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brain cancer survivors

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. We don't have other cancer survivor categories. Mason (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBT criminals

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is an extremely problematic category, under
WP:EGRS. We do not need an intersection of sexual orientation and crime. Similar categories have been deleted at the intersection of crime and race. Mason (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Filipino police generals

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The one member makes no mention of "general"; I have already removed it from Category:Filipino generals. – Fayenatic London 17:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Director General of National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Category created by inexperienced editor with only one member and no parents. – Fayenatic London 17:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in the Falkland Islands

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. The IP's opposition is not particularly cogent: they are already in the tree of the sovereign power. And I will add that personal attacks (The nominator gotta read more to make responsible nominations) never make one's argument stronger.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one church in each of these categories, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in the cases of the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar. Dependent territory categories don't get under the categories of the sovereign powers this way. The nominator gotta read more to make responsible nominations. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... this is probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) that's been making a mess. @Bbb23 is there a mechanism to report this as a ban evasion? Mason (talk) 14:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confusingly in the case of Reunion further above on this page, IP went in the opposite direction. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I think that the IP has much stronger feelings about HK and Macao because they're in Hong Kong. Mason (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maliseet and Category:Maliseet people

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:49, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Maliseet is becoming more of an outdated name for the peoples; Wolastoqiyik is its official name and is becoming more & preferably used including by the area's governments: New Brunswick, Quebec, and Maine. Wolastoqiyik is also preferred by the Canadian Encyclopedia,Dartmouth, CBC, etc. Additionally, my move discussion for the main article under this topic (formerly 'Maliseet') to 'Wolastoqiyik' received unanimous support and was successfully moved, so it makes sense to move the relevant categories as well. This discussion also includes Category:Maliseet people. B3251 (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:ISIS (K) terrorist incidents by continent

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one continent in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Guayana Esequiba

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
Guayana Esequiba is not an administrative division of Guyana and shouldn't be categorized as if it is. It is the Venezuelan name of the area that is disputed by Venezuela. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

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  • Delete, irredentist claim rather than a useful category tree. Looked to see if we had a similar one for Taiwan Province or Tskhinvali Region and we do not seem to. CMD (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There is indeed a Taiwan Province on parts of the island of Taiwan and the islands of Pescadores, which don't cover Taipei since 1967 and Kaohsiung since 1979. It still exists on paper even after it was streamlined. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding plants and animals into a category about a terroritorial dispute doesn't make much sense. The category is about a geographical region. --NoonIcarus (talk) 16:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is exactly why I said "related material". If necessary, Category:Fauna of Guyana, Category:Fauna of the Guianas, Category:Flora of Guyana and Category:Flora of The Guianas can be used. As explained above and in the linked move discussion, "Guayana Esequiba" is a term promoted by Venezuela. WMrapids (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks football games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is 191 subcategories and 5 articles to be precise. A dual merge would make that 190 subcategories and 6 articles. I can't see how that hurts navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the 5 are about an individual game.--User:Namiba 13:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Palestinian people by descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Clearer and less ambiguous, the
Palestinian ethnicity. This name, "Palestinian people by descent," might be interpreted as including those individuals of Palestinian ethnicity whose ancestors were of a different ethnicity or nationality. However, this category actually comprises people from the State of Palestine, categorized by their descent.The term 'Palestinian' may also refer to people from the Palestine (region) or those from Mandatory Palestine, which are similarly categorized by descent. Stisorder (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Oppose. This rename changes the scope of the category for the worse, IMO. These people are Palestinians, period. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. We also have Category:People from the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose many of the people in these categories are not from the State of Palestine. It goes without saying that Palestinians have been a largely refugee and diasporic people since 1948. If we remove those who are not from the State of Palestine, we would be essentially erasing their Palestinian heritage.--User:Namiba 17:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I briefly looked through these categories and didn't find anyone not from the State of Palestine. --Yorkporter (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are seven examples I found through a non-exhaustive search Mai Masri, Lisa Taraki, Elyanna, Roberto Kettlun, Alexis Norambuena, Camilo Saldaña, Pablo Tamburrini. There are many footballers who represent Palestine because of their descent and are otherwise citizens of other countries such as Chile.--User:Namiba 00:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Indeed, as User:Namiba said, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are not citizens of the State of Palestine. However, as far as I can see, we do not classify people by ethnicity and descent‎ simultaneously. See also similar case here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023_December 26#Category:Arab people by descent. Place Clichy and Nederlandse Leeuw probably know more whether we categorize people based on the shared aspects of their ethnicity and descent. Yorkporter (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Note: I was pinged. We only categorise people based on their descent if it is known and relevant; this may differ from their citizenship (or subject-hood) or nationality. There have been endless discussions about when it is "relevant", which need not be repeated here. Suffice to say that ethnicity and descent tend to be a lot more controversial than someone's legal affinity to a jurisdiction (unless the status of that jurisdiction is disputed). NLeeuw (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as this changes the scope. People with a defining link to Palestine in other eras also deserve to be called Palestinian. This includes for instance people at the time of the British Mandate, and not just the Arabs. Place Clichy (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Place Clichy A Category:People from Mandatory Palestine by descent already exists. Review who is actually included now in the categories being discussed. Yorkporter (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was just an example. The State of Palestine was declared in 2013 IIRC. There were Palestinian people before then. Place Clichy (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also wanted to add that Category:Palestinian people of Israeli descent is absolutely the wrong way of framing it. The Arab Palestinian population within the state of Israel are largely self-defined as Palestinian. An Arab citizen of Israel who represents the Palestinian national football team is Palestinian, not of Israeli descent. So this category should be deleted, period.--User:Namiba 18:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here I agree with you. Category:Israeli emigrants to Palestine should be deleted as well. Yorkporter (talk) 21:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Israeli emigrants to Palestine. 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all. Does Palestine overlap entirely and congruently with the State of Palestine? 203.186.171.150 (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per User:Namiba and User:Place Clichy's rationale and examples. There are many Palestinians who were not born within the current borders of the State of Palestine. These things are not always clear cut, especially in this case. – Starklinson 05:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:10th-century Danish clergy

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Unhelpful for navigation to only have one person in here. Mason (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete is fine. Let's just close this one out. Mason (talk) 19:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Slovenian geriatricians

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Category:Executed American revolutionaries

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pre-computer cryptographers

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The result of the discussion was: split as follows:

Thanks,

(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: The current name isn't very helpful (not that mine is much better. But I'm trying to contrast Category:Modern cryptographers). I would love better suggestions. Mason (talk) 04:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The above alternative better aligns with the existing category trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support alternative. Even better! Thank you :) Mason (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:15th-century Indian politicians

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The result of the discussion was: merge (or delete, whichever term you fancy).
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is a redundant layer that's unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sammarinese historians

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category with only one person in it, isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sammarinese women poets

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse women writers yet, with only one poet in here. Mason (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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