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The page was deleted because Adam Cuerden thought one section of the page was copyrighted, In reality the single section paraphrased the source and the terminology and wording was vaguely similar. The person concluded that if a few sentences were copyrighted then the entire page must be copyrighted(despite it's being several years old) so he deleted the entire page without even bothering to find other instances of copyright or discussing it on the articles talk page after having removed the suspected content. The user has been addressed here on the articles talk page [[1]] Wikidudeman (talk) 16:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have undeleted the content of the article and placed the deletion review tags at the top of the text. I'm sure this can be resolved amicably. Tim Vickers 17:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm worried that a major contributor is claiming that quotes that are extremely near the original aren't copyvio - that's exceptionally worrisome. It makes my worries of copyvio elsewhere all the stronger, as Wikidudeman was such a big contributor. Adam Cuerden talk 17:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Paraphrasing a source isn't the same as copying it. If a source says "Performance-enhancing substances have been used in societies from time immemorial." and I write "Performance enhancing substances have been used for thousands of years by societies around the world and have included natural and traditional substances whose aims were to promote vitality and strength." then it's not a copyright. If the source says "This was described as early as 5,000 years ago by Shen Nung, Chinese emperor around 2800 BC, and venerated as the Father of Chinese Medicine." and I write "One of the earliest descriptions of performance enhancing substances dates back 5,000 years and was described by Shennong who was a Chinese emperor around 2700 BC and is often regarded as the father of Chinese medicine." it is not a copyright. I really have no idea what you're basing your assertion that it is a copyright violation to vaguely paraphrase a source on. The two versions are hardly "identical" as you claimed on the articles talk page and could easily be changed even more if you believe they are too similar and would rather be on the safe side. NONE of this justifies deleting the entire article mind you. Wikidudeman (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment this should never have been deleted. The concerns of Adam are being discussed on the talk page of the article and the evidence that this is a copyvio is flimsy at best and most clearly this is not a case of CSD G12. Pascal.Tesson 17:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Paraphrasing a source isn't the same as copying it. If a source says "Performance-enhancing substances have been used in societies from time immemorial." and I write "Performance enhancing substances have been used for thousands of years by societies around the world and have included natural and traditional substances whose aims were to promote vitality and strength." then it's not a copyright. If the source says "This was described as early as 5,000 years ago by Shen Nung, Chinese emperor around 2800 BC, and venerated as the Father of Chinese Medicine." and I write "One of the earliest descriptions of performance enhancing substances dates back 5,000 years and was described by Shennong who was a Chinese emperor around 2700 BC and is often regarded as the father of Chinese medicine." it is not a copyright. I really have no idea what you're basing your assertion that it is a copyright violation to vaguely paraphrase a source on. The two versions are hardly "identical" as you claimed on the articles talk page and could easily be changed even more if you believe they are too similar and would rather be on the safe side. NONE of this justifies deleting the entire article mind you. Wikidudeman (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with User:Pascal.Tesson. Wikidudeman (talk) 17:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, although those re-workings of the source should really be a bit more thorough, so that the it is no longer even close to the original, I don't think this meets the criteria for speedy deletion. Moreover, rather than assuming that other text that may be copyrighted exists in the article and deleting all of the content (including some I have written myself Adam), it would be best to just highlight the items you have found on the talk page. Tim Vickers 17:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the speedy tags should go off, and the offending paragraphs temporarily moved to the talk page, and then have the editors discuss it. Deleting it doesn't seem right. enochlau (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with Tim Vickers and enochlau. The WORST scenario is I failed to paraphrase the source more. As Pascal.Tesson has said, the objections to it are flimsy at best and it should simply be changed a bit more so it's not as similar to the source it was taken from. As clarified above, The two versions are drastically different and hardly a cause for any concern. Wikidudeman (talk) 17:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not that a few sentences were near, it's that the information was in the same order, and much of the phrasing was the same, and it was then attributed to a different source. However, I'll provisionally accept that no further copyvio exists, though a complete reworking'd probably be best, to move it further from problems. Adam Cuerden talk 17:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Containing the same content and being in the same order and being attributed to a different source (not sure about that one) don't mean it's a copyright violation. I could of quoted an entire sentence from them and it wouldn't have been a copyright violation. I paraphrased what the source said and put it into my own words, sure it was in similar order, so what? Reworking the article isn't required, If you're concerned on specific aspects of it then I would suggest you address them as they come up, Right now you seem to only want the article gone or back to how it was a year ago. Take a look at how it was last year [[2]].
Wikidudeman (talk) 18:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Excellent, I'm glad that was resolved so quickly. Thanks everybody. Tim Vickers 17:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can this request be removed since the problem has been solved? Wikidudeman (talk) 19:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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