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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13 August 2021 [1].

1989 World Snooker Championship

Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the sixth world snooker championship won by Steve Davis, and, to quote Clive Everton, "such was his dominance that it would have been impossible to predict with confidence that he would never win the title again." John Parrott won only three frames in the final, against Davis's 18. Thanks in advance for any suggestions to improve the article. I'm able to provide copies of offline sources on request. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image licensing is acceptable (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski

I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the

wikicup
once this review is over.

As I did the GA review previously, you can see previous comments there.

Lede
  • WPBSA isn't used again in the lede, so no need to state the acronym. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel like the winner/defending champion is more integral to the event than the qualifying round. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel like something mentioning that there was four sessions in the final, and Davis won so well that there was no final session. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prose
  • The breakdown of prize money for the 1989 championship - I feel the 1989 is implied Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Qualifying matches took place at Preston Guild Hall from 22 March to 4 April 1989,[21] for 126 players, 16 of whom reached the main stage, where they met the 16 invited seeded players - could probably split into two sentences. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three-time champion John Spencer lost 1–10 to Steve Duggan, who in an earlier round had eliminated another former champion, Fred Davis.[10 - could we reword this to celebrate Duggans wins, rather than the champions losses? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've expanded this slightly, but there doesn't seem to be much coverage of these other than around the Meo/Reynolds controversy. I could add some more match progress/frame score info. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comments

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TRM

  • "The winner received..." seems odd to say it like this since you've already named the winner...
  • "These competitors in the main tournament... The top 16 players in the world rankings automatically ..." feels like you're saying the same thing twice.
  • Image captions all look like complete sentences so need full stops.
  • "imposed by the WPBSA for" overlinked.
  • I would link beta blocker.
  • "In the final round" qualifying.
  • "played Steve Newbury" do we need to repeat first names if the surname is unambiguous?
  • It may need rewording to avoid a sea of blue but I imagine we should link "fluked".
  • "third to 20th" third/twentieth or 3rd/20th.
  • "7-10" en-dash.
  • "match-ball pots" what are they?
  • "the FA Cup semi-final" you can link the actual FA Cup edition.
  • " Nottingham Forest F.C. and Liverpool F.C.." drop the F.C.'s which helpfully removes that double full stop.
  • "Hallett compiled a 133 break when 2–12 behind, and lost " and feels odd, "but" might seem better.
  • "re-spotted black" explain/link for non-experts.
  • I note you link yellow (ball) but not the other colours/red? (Oh, apart from pink)
  • " best-of-35 frames " hyphen between 35 + frames.
  • " in-off" again, jargon needs link/explanation.
  • "equal Ray Reardon's total" first name again?
  • "Snooker historian Clive Everton" well he was a player first... Indeed he played in this tournament!
  • We're spoilt for choice for decriptions of Everton. He was a leading billiards amateur from the early 1950s, has been a journalist/editor since at least the mid-1960s (I think he had articles in The Billiard Player even in the 50's), a TV commentator, and author. His book The Story of Billiards and Snooker was published in 1979, about two years before he became a professional player. I used "snooker historian" as that's the role the quote is in, but happy to add a note that he played too. How about something like ",who played in the qualifying rounds of the tournament," ? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, I don't see the utility in repeating the frame scores on either side of the table summary, I think that's just plain confusing.
  • I think it would be worth mentioning the referee in the prose, not just in the table summary.
  • "19 century breaks in the" overlinked.
  • ""by Stephen Hendry" overlinked.
  • I would put a colon after each century score list, looks a bit odd without.
  • "by Darren Morgan" overlinked.
  • ISBN formats should be consistent.
  • Ref 5, BBC News not linked?
  • Ref 39, isn't that BBC News?
  • Ref 8, no need for wpbsa.
  • Some works are linked more than once, some not at all, what's the strategy?

That's all I have at the moment. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your review, The Rambling Man. I have some work to do on the last of the points above, but in the meantime would appreciate your feedback on the following:
  • The rewording of the part that previously included "match-ball pots"
  • How to describe Clive Everton in the article
  • Suitable template for the final. I also really dislike the two sets of scores, but that seems to have been accepted in other articles that have been through FA.
Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just responded on the Everton query, sorry for taking so long to get back. Happy to support. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Z1720

Consider me a non-expert.

Prose Review

I don't have any major problems with the prose. I fixed some minor things in the article myself, which I invite you to review. If reverted, please mention it here and why.

I looked at the lede to ensure that all the information there was in the article body. Here are some thoughts:

  • "(also referred to as the 1989 Embassy World Snooker Championship for sponsorship reasons)" While the Embassy sponsorship is mentioned, the alternate name is not mentioned in the article and thus not cited. Perhaps this can be included after, "The 1989 championship was sponsored by cigarette brand Embassy." in Overview
  • Amended slightly in lead as although "Embassy World Snooker Championship" appears frequently in sources talking about the 1989 event, "1989 Embassy World Snooker Championship" doesn't as far as I can see. Also added into article body. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The tournament was broadcast in the United Kingdom by the BBC" I couldn't find this fact in the article's body.

Source review

Since my comments above are minimal, I will also conduct a source review. Spotchecks not done. Version reviewed

  • Why does ref 3 have a quote from the source, when the other citations do not?
  • Ref 1 doesn't use the page number in the body of the article, but ref 7 does, creating [7]:105. Your book references should use one consistent referencing style.
  • I can't seem to find much information on Benson and Hedges Snooker Year or its publisher. Why is this a high-quality source?
  • Why is Ref 56 a high-quality source?
  • Chris Turner was a statistician who worked for reputable sources like Eurosport; but as an alternative was easily available, I've substituted a different source. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who published ref 65, and why is it a high-quality source?

Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Many thanks for the review, Z1720. I've replied above. Let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • My concerns have been addressed and I can now support. Great work. Z1720 (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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