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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 12 May 2023 [1].

2007 World Cup of Pool

Nominator(s): Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 2007 edition of the World Cup of Pool. This is a doubles event played every year. An exciting event that came down to the very last couple of balls. I've only promoted one previous pool event (2019 WPA World Ten-ball Championship) so I'd appreciate any comments you might have about this article Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Will do a full review later, but one drive-by comment on the lead - you have "deciding rack" linked to Glossary of cue sports terms#deciding_rack, but as no such anchor exists on that article it just takes me to the top. Scrolling down to D reveals that there isn't even a listing for "deciding rack", unless it's the same as "deciding frame"........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yeah. They are the same thing (a rack is the same as a frame). I'll fix that. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More commentsSupport from Chris

  • Name of the venue is different in the lead to the infobox and first para of the body
  • "with players taking shots alternatively" - think you mean "alternately". "Alternatively" means something quite different
  • Any reason for italics on alternative breaks?
  • "play alternating shots in scotch doubles style" - no need to link for a second time
  • "played from 25 to 27 September as a race to eight" - earlier you had hyphens in "race-to-[whatever]"
  • "The pair met the Dutch B team; and won six racks" - don't think that semi-colon is needed
  • "The defending champions Filipino pair" - don't think this works grammatically
  • "The other semi-final match was played between China, seeded 8th and the unseeded Japanese team" => "The other semi-final match was played between China, seeded 8th, and the unseeded Japanese team"
  • "The final had a lot of dry breaks, with six in the first 15 racks, having had just ten in the rest of the tournament" => "The final had a lot of dry breaks, with six in the first 15 racks, there having been just ten in the rest of the tournament"
  • "Below is the results" => "Below are the results"
  • Think that's it! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry for the delay ChrisTheDude. I've done the above Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TAOT

  • You have a space in "SBS 6", but the article in question consistently uses "SBS6" with no space.
  • The first round of the event was played from 25 to 27 September as a race-to-eight racks contradicts the format section, which states Matches were played as a race-to-nine racks until the final.
  • Link deciding rack as the first mention in the body.
  • You have Taiwan as "Chinese Taipei" in the results bracket, but as "Taiwan" elsewhere. This could cause confusion.
yeah, sources aren't helpful here, as https://www.azbilliards.com/world-cup-of-pool-team-taiwan-show-their-class/ lists them as "Team Taiwan", whereas http://www.azbilliards.com/tournament/1772-partypoker-world-cup-of-pool-2007/?action=results lists them as at least using the Chinese Taipei flag. I've changed it to "Taiwan" for now, but retained the flag. I know this is a contentious subject, so I'd prefer someone with more understanding make sure I'm not misrepresenting. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any possibility of adding more photos?
    • I'll have a look, but I doubt anything is suitable. We have basically no images of pool players. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The prize funding table is confusing, as the other listed amounts do not add up to $250,000. I suggest noting which award amounts were given to more than one team to make this clear. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • It does make sense if you look at the draw - obviously there will be more first round losers than second round losers, because the field cuts in half at each point. I don't think we benefit from stating that 16 teams all gained the money for losing in the first round. That's why we include a total to begin with. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've covered the above TrainsAndOtherThings, and left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan to clarify the deal with the flags and such. Thanks for your review. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Great. I think your explanation regarding the table makes sense. I've given the article another readthrough, and I have no further comments on the prose. Support on prose. By the way, the ping didn't go through - my username is lowercase after the first letter! Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Z1720

Non-expert prose review:

  • "Rogers Sportsnet in Canada, Solar Entertainment in the Philippines;" Should this comma be a semi-colon to be consistent with the formatting of this list?
  • "and Videoland in Taiwan." Is this Videoland Television Network? If so, wikilink.
  • "Finland won the lag, but made a dry break in the opening rack, but retained the break throughout the match as they won 9–0." Replace or delete one of the "but"s.
  • Spot-checked the lede and infobox; the information was in the article's body.

Those are my comments. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Z1720, I've covered the above. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My comments have been addressed, so I can support. Z1720 (talk) 15:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from NØ

  • Would it be possible to be consistent with whether the poker website is referred to as "PartyPoker.com" or "Partypoker"?
    • I've changed one ref where we are talking about the name. The event is specifically "ParktyPoker.com World...", But the name of the company is partypoker - personally I think it should be Partypoker. This shouldn't be necessarily the same as the name of the proper name of the event as a whole. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The defending champions were the Filipino team of Efren Reyes ..." - "Filipino team consisting of Efren Reyes ..."
  • I think its alternate title of "the 2007 PartyPoker.com World Cup of Pool" should occur once in the body of the article as well, as it isn't sourced in the lead.
  • There are four sentences beginning with "The event" in the Format section, three of them consecutive. You can use "It" instead to bring some variation.
  • "The Japan team of Naoyuki Ōi and Satoshi Kawabata" - Maybe "The Japanese team" to be consistent with how the other teams are introduced.
  • "and having trailed 6–7 won the final two racks to win 8–7" - Is it possible to write this as "and having trailed 6–7 won the final two racks with 8–7" without the repetition "won ... win", without changing the meaning?
  • There seems to be inconsistency in how the refs are expressed, with both AzBilliards and azbilliards.com in use, as well as both worldcupofpool.com and worldcupofpool.

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, my current FAC could use some comments.--NØ 11:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski, nudge. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I hadn't seen this. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Shall get to this later today. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support--NØ 11:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review -- GTG

One image with appropriate licence and working link. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request for the coordinators

  • Hi Gog the Mild. I know traditionally we don't allow another item before the source review concludes, but I don't have a co-nomination right now (and haven't got any lined up for this purpose). As it looks like all I'm awaiting is a source review, would you mind me doing another solo item? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:19, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi LV, sorry, but no. Once we start allowing that sort of dospensation we are into thin end of hte wedge/slippery slope territory. (And someone is likely to re-open the why do we allow a second nom before the first is closed anyway issue.) So practice patience, and/or neutrally ask around editors who may wish to do the source review. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if you have already, but you may now open a second FAC nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:34, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I hadn't, I shall do now. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – pass

  • The article heavily relies on AzBilliards.com (14 out 24 times). What makes it a high-quality reliable source?
    • Sure, AZBilliards is pretty much the industry standard now. They have been open since the laste 90s with a big team, and they publish results and news from their large in-house team as well as the journalist network. There is a forum side of the website (which, we obviously stay far clear from) but the actual news and results are of the highest standard. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, and they also publish the Billiard Buzz magazine, which I think has been going since like 2015. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN 7: it seems Philippines take first ever PartyPoker.com World Cup of Pool" was published on August 27, 2006 by Matchroom Sport. I would include Matchroom Sport as the publisher and add |via=The Break. FrB.TG (talk) 05:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is reference 7 not in title case? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm unsure what you mean. "Philippines take first ever PartyPoker.com World Cup of Pool", everything with capital letters is a proper noun, or at least that's how PartyPoker is stylised. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. That's sentence case. All of your other article titles are in title case. See
MOS:5. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Lee Vilenski ? Gog the Mild (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, can't say I've ever looked at what case the references are in, but I've made this change. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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