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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13 October 2019 [1].

A Rugrats Kwanzaa

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Aoba47 (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Comment: No need to apologise for your industry, which is admirable, both in nominations and reviews. But could you spare a little energy, with these reviews, to including a sources check? For those of us (oldies) who are unfamiliar with this subject area, these reviews are problematic; with your expert knowledge you are better able to judge the quality of these sources than we are. For general help in putting a FAC source review together, consult Wikipedia:Guidance on source reviewing at FAC. Have a go at one – every little helps. Brianboulton (talk) 17:07, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for the message. I would be more than happy to do a source review. I was always a little hesitant about doing one because I found it somewhat daunting. The linked essay is very helpful, and I will be referring back to it when I start a source review in the near future. I will look through the FAC list later today, and do a source review on a topic that I feel qualified to do. I am greatly appreciative of all the help I receive from editors during these FAC reviews so I do want to give back as much as I can.
  Aoba47 (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support Just one issue. Are the redlinks necessary? Otherwise, great article. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for the support. For one of
  Aoba47 (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Image is appropriately licensed, although you might also be able to justify a non-free screenshot from the episode. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:23, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you. I am always uncertain about using non-free media, but I will think about it further. A screenshot of Aunt T looking at the scrap book with the children or one of the Carmichael family together could be useful for the "Critical Reception" section since the episode did receive praise for how Kwanzaa was introduced through a focus on family so that is something I will consider.
  Aoba47 (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Comment Place-holder comment to remind me to come back and do a full review later: in the lead I would change "it examines Kwanzaa from the perspective of toddler Susie Carmichael during a visit from her great-aunt T. Susie, her friends....." to simply "it examines Kwanzaa from the perspective of toddler Susie Carmichael during a visit from her great-aunt. Susie, her friends....." I had to read this twice because at first glance it seemed like the great-aunt was called "T. Susie" (a la T. Graham Brown or something)......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for the suggestion and looking at this article. I have revised it accordingly. Throughout the episode, the great-aunt character is reference as "Aunt T.". I am uncertain if that is the family's nickname for her or if it is derived from the word "auntie"; since Rugrats is a show about toddlers/babies, it frequently mispronounced words as part of their dialogue. It could also be a combination of both. I have seen some sources use "Great Aunt T.", but a majority of the sources (and Nickelodeon) use "Aunt T." so I followed that. I just wanted to explain it since the "Aunt T." appears frequently throughout the article.
  Aoba47 (talk) 11:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• That's strange. I have revised it.
  Aoba47 (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Revised to past tense.
  Aoba47 (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• I have removed "other". The rest of the paragraph mentions all of the releases that included the episode.
  Aoba47 (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Revised.
  Aoba47 (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Think that's all I've got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for the help. I cannot believe I missed that glaring error in the lead. Hope you are having a great start to your week!
  Aoba47 (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you!
  Aoba47 (talk) 13:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Images: I'm not an expert on our NFCC so I'll leave it to someone else to say whether, as suggested above, a suitable screenshot of the episode might be acceptable. But I do think it would nice to get at least one more image in the body of the article. Might File:Kwanzaa Candles-Kinara.svg or another free image relating to the episode's depiction of Kwanzaa fit somewhere? (Note that the candles relate to the "seven principles" quote from Holmes.)

• I can see how a second image would be beneficial; however, I am uncertain about the one suggested. Rugrats introduces Kwanzaa in the context of family. Some aspects of Kwanzaa like the kinara are shown, but they do not get the same attention as Susie or the scrapbook memories. This is discussed by both Los Angeles Times and the Daily Herald. Both explicitly mention how the show is not a "Kwanzaa primer" or "a camouflaged lecture on African American heritage followed by a message about the need for tolerance and respect". I would be concerned hat the kinara image implies the episode deals more with Kwanzaa's specific practices and customs than it really does. The episode is first and foremost about family and legacy. I may be overthinking it, but that is my concern about it.
  Aoba47 (talk) 01:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Hmm, this does make sense. I guess more users' opinions on this would be helpful. — Bilorv (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  Aoba47 (talk) 01:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Apologies for all the edits. I believe everything has settled down now.
  Aoba47 (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Thanks for the quick response! Just one more point about the lead left. — Bilorv (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  Aoba47 (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Thanks for all the work you've done! Support on criteria #1, #2 and #4 (spotchecks done) and neutral on criterion #3 (screenshot in the infobox / image in the body needs more discussion). — Bilorv (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you again, and I will definitely think about adding another image further. The kinara image that you suggested might be correct, but it would be nice to get some further feedback on that.
  Aoba47 (talk) 20:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Archived.
  Aoba47 (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Archived.
  Aoba47 (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• There should not be italics for Source 26 as
  Aoba47 (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• I have been advised in the past to not use access dates for archived urls.
  Aoba47 (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Ping me when things are better.Tintor2 (talk) 14:41, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  Aoba47 (talk) 23:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Well, I give it a pass. Hope this article becomes FA.Tintor2 (talk) 23:30, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kailash

No prose/sourcing/proofreading comments from me, well done Aoba (no pun intended). Just replace the publisher= parameter, being used for websites, with website= since {{cite web}} says, "The publisher is the company that publishes the work being cited. Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.)." The refs needed formatting, but I fixed that with the greatest ref-editing gadget ever made and it's "normalize" button. Once all is done, this will have my support. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  Aoba47 (talk) 19:20, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support I hope this passes FAC. It easily should. --Kailash29792 (talk) 05:32, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you!
  Aoba47 (talk) 05:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support Great work! Damian Vo (talk) 15:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you!
  Aoba47 (talk) 19:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• I'm only mentioning this because I'm personally not a fan of red links, but I'd suggest unlinking 34th NAACP Image Awards. 35th NAACP Image Awards was created in February 2006, so I can't see an article being created for the 34th edition anytime soon. Feel free to disregard this point. I won't object either way.

• Removed.
  Aoba47 (talk) 03:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Revised.
  Aoba47 (talk) 03:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Thank you.
  Aoba47 (talk) 03:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Overlink of Martin Luther King Jr. in this section. Plus, I'm not entirely sure what "Deborah Holmes praised the episode's respect for both the "legacy of blacks", like Martin Luther King Jr., and the Carmichaels." is supposed to mean. I couldn't access the source, but I believe the relevant quote can be viewed verbatim here (don't ask how). "The show honors the legacy of blacks by introducing the seven principles of Kwanzaa, and by [highlighting] the contributions of famous blacks including Martin Luther King Jr. At the same time, it praises the not-so-famous, like the Carmichael family, who nonetheless contribute to society; the message is that everyone can make a difference, a fundamental thought behind Kwanzaa." With that in mind, I'd suggest rephrasing to: "Deborah Holmes praised the episode's respect for the "legacy of blacks", noting that it encompasses Kwanzaa's message of every person, regardless of stature, being able to contribute to society." Or something to that effect.

• Revised both points.
  Aoba47 (talk) 03:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Once again, this is a brilliantly written and researched article. Once my nitpicking of the Plot and Critical response complaints above have been addressed, I'd be happy to support this. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 00:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  Aoba47 (talk) 03:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Thanks for fixing these. I took another look through the article, and couldn't find anything I missed first time around. Happy to support for promotion. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 22:22, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you!
  Aoba47 (talk) 23:59, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Closing note: This
  WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 06:43, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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