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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 9 July 2023 [1].

Angel Aquino

Nominator(s): Pseud 14 (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Having previously worked on Filipino BLPs, I've decided to start working on another Filipino actress. Angel Aquino began her career as a fashion model before she ventured into acting. Since then she has appeared in primarily independent films and primetime television series of varying genres. She is noted for her versatility and adaptability in portraying protagonists and villains, and has received praise and accolades for her work on screen. Constructive criticism, in any form and from anyone, will be appreciated. Happy to address your comments and thanks to all who take the time to review. Pseud 14 (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

It seems necessary to add a reference to the sentence that she has been mentioned in various media as the most beautiful face in the Philippine entertainment industry. Kloyan.L (talk) 07:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:LEADCITE states that citations are often omitted from the lead section as this information is repeated and sourced in the article prose. The same information is mentioned, repeated and sourced in the body. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The MoS on quotations: "[t]he source must be named in article text if the quotation is an opinion". Emphasis in original. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, not sure if I follow Gog. Should I add citations in the lead for this bit? Or will the sources in the body where it is discussed be sufficient? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It means that every time you use a quotation which is not a fact (eg "it was the highest-grossing film of the year") you have to state who said or wrote it in line. I think that I confused matters as you don't use any quotes in the lead. You attribute quotations appropriately elsewhere so it may be best if you simply ignore my ill-judged attempt to be helpful. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries at all Gog, thanks for clarifying as well. It is very helpful nonetheless, and will take that into account in cases when such use arise. Most grateful for any help you have shared otherwise, especially with the source review re titles. Pseud 14 (talk) 20:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Media review—pass

That should complete media review.--NØ 15:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for doing the media review MaranoFan. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

  • "Aquino has three younger siblings. They were raised by their mother...." - this sounds like only the three younger siblings were raised by their mother
Revised for clarity
  • "the erotic drama Laro sa Baga (2000), whose script" => "the erotic drama Laro sa Baga (2000), the script of which" ("whose" should really only be used with people, not non-human things like a film)
Done
  • "Aquino and Roño reunited in the action drama La Vida Rosa (2001), co-starring Rosanna Roces, Liza Lorena, and Jiro Manio. She played" => "Aquino and Roño reunited in the action drama La Vida Rosa (2001), co-starring Rosanna Roces, Liza Lorena, and Jiro Manio, in which she played" (join two short sentences together)
Done
  • "critically acclaimed independent comedy-drama Crying Ladies, co-starring Sharon Cuneta and Hilda Koronel.[24][25] She played" => "critically acclaimed independent comedy-drama Crying Ladies, co-starring Sharon Cuneta and Hilda Koronel,[24][25] in which she played" (as above)
Revised as above
  • " a Martial law-era " - no need for capital M
Done
  • "in Eddie Romero's final directorial effort, Faces of Love (2007).[55][56] The film premiered" => "in Eddie Romero's final directorial effort, Faces of Love (2007),[55][56] which premiered"
Done
  • That's what I got as far as 2012, back for more later.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking up this review ChrisTheDude. Your comments have been actioned. Looking forward to the rest of your review. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
  • "The year 2013 marked a high point in Aquino's career, as she became a performer nominated" - just "The year 2013 marked a high point in Aquino's career, as she was nominated" is sufficient
Done
  • "as she did neither understand nor respect her character's actions" - I think "as she could neither understand nor respect her character's actions" would be better wording
Agree, revised.
  • "he had a guest role in an episode of the anthology series Maalaala Mo Kaya.[133] She was paired opposite Adrian Alandy" => "he had a guest role in an episode of the anthology series Maalaala Mo Kaya,[133] in which she was paired with Adrian Alandy" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done
Thanks ChrisTheDude. Additional comments have been actioned. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your review and support. Pseud 14 (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from NØ

  • "Among her notable performances include an assasin's wife" - Needs a grammar correction, try "Among her notable performances are an assasin's wife"
Done
  • Not sure public figure needs a link.
Removed
  • "she and her siblings were from their father's second marriage, and were estranged from him" - "estranged from their father, she and her siblings were born from his second marriage" could be simpler
Revised as suggested
  • "She was featured in several television and print advertisements for products, including being the face of hair care brand Pantene" - "She was featured in several television and print advertisements for products, and became the face of hair care brand Pantene"
Done
  • "critic Bayani San Diego Jr. of the Philippine Daily Inquirer noted how much Aquino's supporting part aided the narrative" - This should be conveyed as the critic's opinion as it seems subjective. So maybe "critic Bayani San Diego Jr. of the Philippine Daily Inquirer believed Aquino's supporting part really aided the narrative" or something along those lines.
Revised as suggested
  • "She has advocated for children's education and is actively involved with Juan Day, an initiative which raised money to help provide educational supplies to students in rural areas and from disadvantaged families" - If she is actively involved with them, the second part of this sentence probably shouldn't be in past tense.
Done
  • "Aquino has voiced her approval for equal rights and opportunities in the LGBT community" - "for" the LGBT community?
Done
  • I am a bit confused about the first paragraph of the Acting credits and awards section. Aren't all of these television projects mentioned in more detail in prior sections? Do any other acting bios include a whole paragraph dedicated to Rotten Tomatoes rankings? Apologies if this is common practice and I just didn't know, but it would seem this being trimmed to just "Awards" (the second paragraph) would suffice.
For "Acting credits and awards", I tailored this section to existing FAs of BLPs which seem to be consistent with providing a summary style mention of both Rotten Tomatoes and Box-office data for "acting" and a summary of "awards". This section is much shorter though, than what you would find in examples such as Kate Winslet, Jessica Chastain, Emma Stone, Amy Adams or Christian Bale, as I have only referenced available data.
Great work and kudos on 96.9% authorship on such an elaborate article. Can't wait to see what you'll work on next.--NØ 08:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments and kind words. I appreciate you doing a prose review MaranoFan. I have actioned your comments above and provided an explanation regarding the last point. Let me know if they are to your satisfaction or if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support by DWB

  • I feel like "On stage, Aquino has performed in local theater productions of The Vagina Monologues (2002) and Closer (2013)." should be part of the paragraph above or even the second paragraph since that is discussing her career, it just randomly veers from Stage to her public life. If you want something to beef out that last paragraph I can see there is a line about her being among the finest actresses of her generation. Maybe something like "Described by some publications as among the most beautiful and finest Filipino actresses of her generation, Aquino has used her public profile to promote various causes, including education, gender equality, and women's rights." - I'm not hardline on it though.
Fair point and I've also thought about lumping it in the previous paragraphs, but reading similar actor FAs such as those of Jessica Chastain, Amy Adams, I found that theatre ventures tend to be separate and usually in the final paras along with other ventures. (although GAs, this tends to be the same case as well i.e. Jake Gyllenhaal and Andrew Garfield). On the other hand, I have revised and tweaked the latter sentence per your suggestion.
  • "Aquino and her three younger siblings were raised by their mother in" -> "The eldest of four children, Aquino and her siblings were raised by their mother in", I think this helps because the rest of the sentence is "were raised by their mother in Barangka, Marikina, where she attended elementary school. " which makes it sound that's where the mom went to school, not Aquino.
Done
  • "made them feel cared for and that she was clever and ingenious." Is clever and ingenious a quote? Might be worth quoting it, seems a bit non-neutral.
I actually paraphrased it and used synonyms for resourceful. The article mentions her mother is "resourceful" and ventured into multiple business gigs to make ends meet. I did revise it a bit to say driven and ingenious.
  • "She is reluctant to publicly discuss her family background; estranged from their father, she and her siblings were born from his second marriage.[5] She has stated that her mother suffered physical abuse.[4]" - "Reluctant to disclose aspects of her personal life, Aquino has stated that she is estranged from her father who physically abused her mother, his second wife."
Thanks for this, reads much better actually. Revised.
  • I'm not sure why this is a note - "Aquino was a recipient of the Tulong Dunong Scholarship funded by the Philippine Commission on Higher Education.[4][7]" just include it in the text.
Removed efn and included in text.
  • "She found it in the drama series Honesto (2013), which re-teamed her with Torre. She" two sentences starting with "she"in succession.
Revised
  • "Described by the Philippine Entertainment Portal to be among the "busiest actresses", Aquino is noted for appearing in a range of material." Can you clarify this? What is the range? Multimedia? Genre?
Revised as appearing in material of varying genres
  • "She also advocated for LGBT rights and participated in the "I dare to care about equality" movement by Bahaghari Philippines in support of the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia.[163] " This makes it sound like it happened once, do we have a year?
Year added
  • " actress and producer" film producer?
Changed to film producer
  • "According to the online portal Box Office Mojo and the review aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes, Aquino's most critically and commercially successful films include " are their BO figures for these to give context?
It is actually a mix of movies with high review ratings and high BO returns. The BO figures aren't listed as it would be found in the source itself via Box Office Mojo. (Similar examples I have tailored it with are Kate Winslet, Julianne Moore)
  • I'm not sure the second note is required, you've added the hidden note after the link to it's Wiki page so they can go there to find out what it is, there's plenty of description of other films she is in so I'm not sure why this is necessary as a hidden note or to be present in the article at all.
I have removed this efn too.
Thank you for your review Darkwarriorblake. I have provided my responses and have actioned your comments above. Let me know if they are to your satisfaction or if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 00:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Much improved for small changes Pseud, good luck Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 09:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your time in reviewing and for your support. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

On this version Mujinga (talk) 08:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • 10 Cruz, Francis Joseph → Cruz, Francis Joseph A.
  • 11 What's going with this bundled citation? Is each cite being used to provide evidence of each film, respectively? Then I would prefer a secondary source to replace rottentomatoes, or is that not possible?
    Wikipedia:Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic
    does say RT is a reliable source, but it's just an essay
Correct, each cite is to source each film respectively. I was able to find a secondary source for Lea's Story using it's local title. However the only other source I could find for the last film is the full movie from the film studio's official YouTube channel. So I kept RT if that is acceptable. I think sources such as RT/AV Club/TV Guide have been acceptable in its usage to cite for roles/appearances in movies/television in filmography sections (as well as within the FLC space). Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 8 13 Brizuela, Jayson → Brizuela, Jayson B.
  • 14 Torre, Nestor → Torre, Nestor U.
    • I'm starting to think you are missing out the initial by design? but you do use for example Scott, A.O. so right now this is inconsistent
You're right. I purposely excluded using the initials, as Philippine naming conventions are different from North American conventions. Middle names/initials for Filipinos use the mother's maiden last name. Most of these authors are usually referred to by their Given Names and Last Names ([2] [3]). They have also been cited in similar design with other Filipino FAs (Judy Ann Santos, Angel Locsin, Angeline Quinto). As for A. O. Scott, I do think this is an exception, as he officially goes by A. O. instead of his full name Anthony Oliver. I can switch it to his full name though, if it helps with consistency. Let me know otherwise. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the rationale about not using initials, I was wondering if there was a convention for this. I'm left a bit puzzled since (leaving aside A. O. Scott as a different case) if the source itself is using the initial for Filipino names I don't see why we wouldn't. Is there any MOS guidance here? Looking at Filipino name and Double-barrelled_name#Filipino_naming_tradition there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer. Don't see any discussion of this specific issue in the FAs you linked. Thanks, Mujinga (talk) 15:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mujinga: thanks for your response. There seems to be no guidance on whether to include the initials from what I've checked. I've written them as Given names and Last Names for the better part of my FAC experience, as it was not brought up in the prior source reviews of the FAs I've listed. I'd be fine updating it if that's a cause of concern formatting-wise. I can do that as we go along with your next batch of comments, as I'll have to go thru each citation. In case there's additional names not on the initial list. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pseud 14 sure it's just good to talk it through. If you have done this consistently through the article then I guess it's ok. Sorry to be nitpicky! Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mujinga: no worries, and thanks for being thorough. Should be fixed now to include initials as you've outlined below. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ok I see you've added them, nice Mujinga (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 15 Angel Aquino as a kontrabida → TWBA: Angel Aquino as a kontrabida
Done. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 17 Pablo A. Tariman
  • 19 Torre, Nestor U.
  • 25 Nepales, Ruben V.
  • 27 Nepales, Ruben V.
  • 28 suggest for this and other news articles with no author to use: <!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> or similar
Per Template:Cite web or Template:Cite news, if there are no author(s), that parameter can be omitted. As far as I'm aware. Unless I've missed something. (I've referred to similar recent FA BLPs i.e. Oscar Isaac, Christian Bale). Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No action required but I was thinking about this and I suppose one advantage of using |author=<!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> is that if a reviewer is checking for author names, then they know there isn't one, rather than seeing a gap and needing to check. For myself, I'd say it saves me having to check if I forgot to add a name. Anyway, that's just food for thought. Mujinga (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 30 NYT article should be marked as paywalled; Scott, A.O. → Scott, A. O. (in text as well)
Added paid subscription mark. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Same rationale as above re movie/television appearance. But I found a secondary source, so it has been replaced. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 33 not seeing author in source?
Rito Asilo is named as author in this source. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 34 Torre, Nestor U.
  • stopping here for now Mujinga (talk) 09:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking up the source review Mujinga. I have provided my responses to above, including rational for exclusion of using initials for Filipino authors. Let me know if these have been addressed satisfactorily or if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one thanks for the quick responses, that all look fine then, I just want to discuss the naming convention more. And I'll continue with a new section Mujinga (talk) 16:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I've provided my response on your point re naming convention and will do so as we go along in your next comments/review. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review 2

On this version

  • 39 is this being used to prove she was in the film? it seems unnecessary
Yes it is, but I have since removed it, as it is supported by the succeeding citation
  • 40 Bruce, Emmy - source says Emmy Burce
Sorry a typo - fixed now.
  • 45 not sure what "No. October 21, 2007" is doing
Should be fixed now. parameter should be |date not |issue
  • Article titles should consistently be in either sentence case or title case, irrespective of how they appear in the original, per
    MOS:TITLECAPS. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Reviewed each sections, stuck with sentence case for consistency. (all capitalized instances I believe are proper names, titles, etc)
indeed! thanks Gog Mujinga (talk) 16:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC) eg 94, 131, 132, 137, 141, 145, 151[reply]
A couple more still need doing:
  • The Kontrabida Girls We Love: Whose Style Is Most Wicked?
  • Angel Aquino Movie Box Office Results
Mujinga (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Should be fixed now for consistency. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 59 I have to say I'm confused by this way of referencing her appearance in a film by linking to the film on youtube and (presumably) the time of her first appearance. Is there no other source? Also 39 has "– via YouTube", this doesn't.
Generally, if I am unable to find a secondary source for a film appearance, I've relied on the media itself as a primary source. I've found a secondary source and have replaced it, hopefully it will suffice. Ref 39 per above has been removed as well, with a secondary source. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 60 author is Sylvia Santamaria
Done
  • 61 not sure about the SJ in Lim, Michael SJ per above discussion
I'm not sure about SJ as well, so I just took it out, and left at Lim, Michael
I suppose since you are using initials it should go back in, but it is confusing! Mujinga (talk) 19:05, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reinstated it. Yeah the double initials is confusing. Alas it is how it's written I guess. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 62 I don't think you can use a film appearance to reference the detail in "She made special appearances in television pilots throughout 2008, first featuring in the supernatural fantasy series Lobo as a werewolf's mortal wife"
Revised this so only the work/appearance is referenced. Removed the first opening wording.
  • 63 same as 62 for an episode citation on "She also shared a role with Picache, portraying the latter's character during a younger phase in her life in the drama series Iisa Pa Lamang.[63]"
Removed this.
  • 83 She is among the few performers to be nominated for two Gawad Urian Awards in the same year. - not seeing that in source?
I've added references to source performers that have been double nominated
My issue here wasn't that I wanted other performers who have been double nominated to be mentioned, rather I don't see the source backing the assertion that "She is among the few performers to be nominated for two Gawad Urian Awards in the same year". You could by all means say she was double nominated like John Lloyd Cruz and Anne Curtis, but on the present version it seems like original research to say "among the few performers". Hope that makes sense! Mujinga (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Revised as suggested. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 103 full title is Angel Aquino kisses Althea Vega for short film Astray: "This was the first time that I kissed a girl onscreen" and since you have done such a good job of italicizing films in titles, then Astray prob should be as well
Done
  • 119 I can accept this as a ref for " In preparation for the part, she trained in wushu" but not "and hand-to-hand combat" since Hung is a wushu trainer
Remove hand-to-hand combat
cool Mujinga (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 136 I used User:Ohconfucius/dashes.js to see if the hyphen is ok, seems like it is
  • 143 can be standardised with 15. So "physicalizing" and "internalizing" are direct quotes from the source? It might heklp to write in Tagalog what she said using |quotation per
    WP:NONENG
Added TWBA. I only quoted "physicalizing" and "internalizing" as these were said verbatim, the rest of the statement was rather non-technical and can be easily paraphrased, and would make sense to write it in prose as oppose to quoting in non-English, since it is also followed by a direct quote in English.
Sorry to insist but this is supposed to be an example of wikipedia's best work. I do realise that NONENG can be interpreted in different ways; my suggestion is to include in the citation using |quotation= the Tagalog original version of the quotation you have translated, I think this is especially worthwhile since you are using a quote from a youtube clip. If this doesn't make sense, a similar example is at We Are Here (collective) where I've inserted the relevant section in Dutch for the material I am drawing on. Mujinga (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean, I've added it, hopefully that works. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 146 same argument as 143
For this quotation, it was spoken in English and is not a translation.
  • 150 same reference as 135?
Fixed (i think)
What i meant what to make it the same ref, I've done this using <ref name="SC">, feel free to change it Mujinga (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for catching. Yes agree with the change. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:56, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 166 link gives no info (not archived version)
I've added the paid subscription mark to clarify. (similar usage with Box Office sections for other actor FAs i.e. Kate Winslet, Julianne Moore)

Mujinga, I've actioned the rest of the comments on sourcing. Let me know if they are to your satisfaction and if there's anything a may have missed. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pseud 14 Nice work! I've replied on a few points, happy to discuss anything Mujinga (talk) 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mujinga: Thanks for the second look. Believe I have addressed the remaining items. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pseud 14 Cheers for the fast reply - it all looks good now, but I want to have another with fresher eyes before supporting, I'll ping when I do that Mujinga (talk) 20:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review 3

On this version:

  • cite 60 backs: "She also featured in the supernatural fantasy series Lobo as a werewolf's mortal wife" and the source is " "Lobo (2008) – Episode 1" (Video) (in Tagalog). ABS-CBN Entertainment. 15:30 minutes in. Archived from the original on April 3, 2023. Retrieved April 3, 2023 – via YouTube." The youtube clip is from ABS-CBN so that's fine, but I don't think the level of detail in the text can be backed by reference to an appearance at 15:30. The blurb on the clip says "Episode Cast: Piolo Pascual (Noah) / Angel Locsin (Lyka) / Pilar Pilalpil (Eleanor / Elle / Lady Elle) / Robert Arevalo (Manolo) / Shaina Magdayao (Gabby) / Gio Alvarez (Elton) / Dimples Romana (Trixie) / Ryan Eigenmann (Anton)" so she doesn't seem to be a main character - do we need this sentence?
Removed and replaced with a secondary source. Bot doesn't work hence there is no archive link atm. Fix soon
  • cite 142 backs "Aquino has commented that "physicalizing" and "internalizing" as part of her acting is a technique she views as an obvious requirement in her portrayals. When questioned as to how she personifies the vileness of her character, she remarked: "I have to stand up straighter, I have to put my chin up, I have to look proud and ready to eat someone alive"." - "physicalizing" and "internalizing" still read to me like direct quotes but she says "physicalize" and "internalization" so i'd suggest taking away the quote marks on "physicalizing" and "internalizing" - also happy to discuss.
Removed quote marks

- Hi again @Pseud 14:Just those two now Mujinga (talk) 09:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mujinga: Both addressed. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great, support based on reviewing sources Mujinga (talk) 17:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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