Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Burnley F.C. internationals/archive1

• "The final British Isles nation to have a representative from Burnley was Scotland" - it seems a bit odd that you haven't mentioned Wales at all before saying Scotland was the last of the four
  • Added an extra sentence.
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• "The only decade that the club did not have" - I think "The only decade during which the club did not have" would be better personally
  • Done.
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• I would make it clear above the table that the statistics are only for caps and goals while the player was a Burnley player, not their career totals. It may seem obvious but it doesn't hurt to clarify.
  • Added an extra line in the key section.
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• On that note, do the refs actually support all the numbers? I checked Besart Berisha's Soccerbase page (used as the ref for his 10 caps) and it says he was with Burnley from 3 July 2007 to 31 July 2009. Checking the "games played" for each season within that date range on the same page only shows 6 international matches, so where are the other 4? Similarly, Soccerbase says that Dane Richards was at Turf Moor from January to July 2013 and doesn't list any international matches for him in that period (in fact it doesn't list any caps for him at all!) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I replaced the Soccerbase source (there were indeed many games missing...) with refs from 11v11 and an article from the club website.
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A few comments from my side:

• As a result, the team were able to enter the FA Cup for the first time in 1885–86 --> I'm not knowledgable in football history, so just checking if I understand this right: only clubs who paid their players were allowed to compete in the FA Cup?
  • The opposite actually. Before 1885, the
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• were one of the twelve founding members of the Football League in 1888–89 --> Should that not be just 1888? The founding was on one day, 1888–89 refers to the season. Right?
  • Amended.
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• Burnley were the second, and are one of only five teams to have won all four professional divisions --> Not as elegant as all the other sentences in the lead. May I suggest a slight rewrite, for instance along the lines of "Burnley are one of only five teams to have won all four professional divisions of English football, along with Wolverhampton Wanderers, Preston North End, Sheffield United and Portsmouth. They were the second to achieve this, in xxxx."
  • I'm glad some of the sentences are regarded as elegant:). Done.
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• The final British Isles nation --> tricky this. I immediately thought "you have forgotten Northern Ireland; there are 4 + 1 nations". After a bit of reading I see it turns out that Ireland played a joint team for decades after 1920. But then I look at the table and I see 6 flags for the British Isles. I think the text and table need to align. May I propose to drop the term "final British Isles nation" altogether, to add when the first player got a cap for Northern Ireland and then for the Republic of Ireland?
  • Good shout. I've removed the "final British Isles nation" line and cut it short to only highlight "Burnley's first non-English international" and "the first Burnley player to represent a country from outside the British Isles".
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• It would be nice to see the total number of internationals somewhere. Perhaps at the end of the first paragraph.
  • Done.
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• McIlroy also holds the club record for most caps won (51) --> the biggest issue in this article, and any of the same ilk that will follow, is the counting of caps during the whole career vs just at the club. I see you discussed this with the ever helpful User:ChrisTheDude. My view is that this needs to be even more explicit, just near the table is not sufficient. So for McIlroy I suggest (51 while at the club). In addition, to drive home this difference, I would add a column with career caps. Then the reader can see it side by side, avoiding confusion.
  • I've amended the wording in "McIlroy also holds the club record for most caps won (51)" and the title above the table. So (plus the key section) that's three instances where the reader can find it's only about the caps/goals while at the club. I've not added an extra column as it's not relevant to the club, only to the players themselves. Furthermore, a lot of extra (and needless) refs will have to be placed in the table. I hope it's clearer now.
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I'll stop for now. I'll have a look at the sources tomorrow. Edwininlondon (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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You're welcome. All looks fine. I'm ok with your solution to the career vs club caps. Edwininlondon (talk) 18:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.

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• In one of the sources, I think it was the club's website, it mentioned how many different nations Burnley players have played for. That would be a good stat to add. You could even go further and make a distribution table.
  • Done.
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• I just did a spot check of a few sources: #4, #12, #13, #16, #20. All ok.
• Source #15 has 2007-12 for Duff
  • Ahh that's a typo on the website. Added a new source.
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• The newly added sentence about the total count being 86 needs sourcing. (Sorry) Edwininlondon (talk) 18:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.
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