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List of Canada's Wonderland attractions

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Nominator(s): Dom497 (talk) 23:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FLC criteria.--Dom497 (talk) 23:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from
talk) 03:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Oppose
  • My main concern is the lede, they should be expanded, and should be more than just some one-line paragraphs, the first and three seem fine, but the second needs to be expanded upon, see
    WP:LEDE
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 02:05, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also think the prose of the article needs a copy-edit
    • As you have expanded the prose, and fixed it up. I don't think one is needed, now, but if you'd like, go ahead, seems fine though.
      andley 03:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
      ]
  • Any lede image?
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Canada's Wonderland per
    WP:UNDERLINK
    , there must be an article on it, rather than just this list
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unlink Canada per
    WP:OVERLINK
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "26 ride" check your grammar
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "rides including" missing comma between
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't use words like "newest" per
    WP:RELTIME
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • ", etc" shouldn't be used, spelled out fully at the very least
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:52, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add
    MOS:IMAGES
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tables don't meet
    WP:ACCESS
    , add scope cols and rows to ensure it does
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tables don't meet
    WP:DTT
    , add table captions to ensure it does
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The last column of tables don't even have a header. Add one please, like "Ref."
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a suggestion, but you could align references in the table to the center
  • Any external links?
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any further categories?
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 02:05, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per
    WP:MOSNUM
    , there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 180 pounds, use 180 pounds, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 180 pounds.
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

andley 18:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
]

Comments, A few minor issues: Support

  • "When the park first opened in 1981, there were 26 rides, today there are a total of over 65 rides": Run-on sentence. Two independent clauses, needs a conjunction before "today" or a semicolon. It can also be conveyed as two separate sentences.
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Canada's Wonderland most recent built attractions": Wonderland is missing a possessive apostrophe.
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Exact reasons why this section was never built have never been given.": Needs a citation.
I have removed this statement and replaced it with another.--Dom497 (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "inside of Splash Works though the ratings": There needs to be a comma before the subordinating conjunction "though".
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--xanchester (t) 19:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Sledgehammer, the only of its kind in the world." Needs a citation. Not mentioned elsewhere in the article.--xanchester (t) 20:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:30, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments a few nitpicks Support
    • "When the park first opened in 1981, there were 26 rides." - I would write something like "Initially the park had 26 rides when it first opened in 1981
Done.--Dom497 (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • " dinosaur themed" - should there be a hyphen in between?
Why? I personally think not.--Dom497 (talk) 19:24, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it looks like a
Tomcat (7) 19:37, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:26, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Today, there are a total of over 65 rides" this sentence makes no sense, does it have 65 rides or not? If so just write Today, there are 65 rides
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Leviathan, a 306-foot (93 m) Bolliger & Mabillard roller coaster, along with Dinosaurs Alive! which is an interactive animatronic dinosaur themed area/walkway designed for children which were both added for the 2012 season." -> Leviathan, a 306-foot (93 m) Bolliger & Mabillard roller coaster and Dinosaurs Alive, which is an animatronic dinosaur themed area/walkway. Both were added for the 2012 season.
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • References column should not be sortable, you can also shorten it to Ref(s).
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the height requirements column, are the measurements in inches? If so I would make it explicit by adding a note
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 3, needs an author adding and Toronto Sun should be in italics as its a printed publication
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 7, you need to add the parameter |format=PDF and the publisher
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 40 no need to SHOUT, just write it out normally
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 14:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • A-Mazing Adventure should be first in the table, as when you click the sort button it moves to the top. Alternatively you could force it to sort in relation to its current position in the table
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 19:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just noticed that you have a number of rides that start with "The..." that are sorting as T instead of sorting by their position in the table. You'll need to use the {{sort}} template to force them to sort by their current position. NapHit (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--Dom497 (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 4, the hyphen should be an en dash. Also what makes that source reliable? Looks like a blog to me
I have fixed the hyphen. Regarding the reliability, though it may be hard to believe, the source is actually pretty reliable. If it makes a difference, there is a book published in 1981 that talks about Frontier Canada but I have no idea what page(s) the info is on.--Dom497 (talk) 20:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not overly convinced by the site. I'll leave this comment up so others can comment on it. NapHit (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • This is a sentence fragment: "Both added for the 2012 season."
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ride names beginning with "A" or "The" should be sorted based on the next word in the name. For example, in place of "The Bat" in the table, enter {{sort|Bat, The|The Bat}}.
Another user fixed this.--Dom497 (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the Blogspot site looks a bit shaky. Using the 1981 book instead would be much better, if you could get a hand on the page number.
I will tell you right now that I would not be able to get a page number...is just adding the book in general good enough?--Dom497 (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Dom, would you be able to make a trip to the Toronto Public Library? They have a reference copy. Themeparkgc  Talk  01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A book reference without the page numbers still seems better than referencing the blog site, but Themeparkgc has an interesting point. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:56, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Without going into too much detail, I can't. I got school, I tried getting a digital copy (can't because it breaks copyright) and I called the library (boy, they were lots of help...not). I really don't think 2 or 3 pages really make a difference any ways.--Dom497 (talk) 20:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find the ISBN of the book. Is that necessary?--Dom497 (talk) 21:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is encouraged, but at the least: title, year and author. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The publication, unfortunately, was ghostwritten. Is it just the Wilderness Canada section you need the page numbers for? I have the first and second season editions of the book in my personal CW collection. -- Zanimum (talk) 02:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Too bad that it was ghostwritten. I believe that's what we're looking for (Wilderness). —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'll edit tomorrow; I do have the editor and assistant editor names, and based on the consistent voice of the book (and its relative brevity), I can't imagine there were any other writers involved. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everything otherwise looks very well done. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 01:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the delay, I've been dealing with a museum opening. I've now added in the proper reference. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. is there a reference for Action Theatre in the table? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:45, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source comments –

  • I still see a blog in use as ref 5, and think that this is not reliable enough for an FL.
Removed ref.--Dom497 (talk) 20:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 8 requires a publisher (Canada's Wonderland).
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • All caps in refs 38 and 66 should be taken out. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.--Dom497 (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose too many issues still outstanding...
  • Consider making the lead image larger, it's a cool picture.
  • "...had 26 rides when it first opened in 1981. Today, there are 65 rides, including the water rides..." overuse of the word "ride" here...
  • Overcapitalisation in the table and headings (e.g. Height Restriction is just Height restriction, No Height Restriction -> No height restriction, Children's Maze->Children's maze etc etc).
  • "Sledgehammer, the only ride its kind in the world.[8]" missing a word, the period is not required, and what exactly makes it unique?
    • Added "of". As a side note, I believe maintenance/mechanical issues have resulted in the ride not being built anywhere else. Themeparkgc  Talk  01:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consistency with commas please, e.g. "Under 54", or if over, must" vs "Over 46" or if under, must".
  • You have "Kid Swing" which I imagine should be "Children's swing" (to be consistent with Children's maze...?)
  • Action Theatre has no refs.
  • "30 - 180180 pounds" needs an en-dash, and do you really mean 180,180 pounds?!
  • Height requirement column doesn't sort correctly.

If these and any outstanding issues above are addressed, I'll return to conclude my review. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Support - In addition to TRM's above, I would add:

  • It seems quite strange to me that "N/A" sorts under N as if it were a manufacturer (add a sortkey to sort it as "0")
  • References should not sort in the second table
  • In the "Vortex" row the type isn't capitalized right (steel)
  • I don't know why "The Fly" is the only ride to be redlinked.
  • At least one inconsistency with date types in the references- November 1, 2012 but also 27 November 2012.
  • Optional, but I'd consider archiving your refs- if the company ever changes its website or goes under, the entire list will lose its references.

--PresN 04:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As to PresN's archiving references suggestion, even though CW isn't going anywhere, it's still wise. The content on those pages is indded changed here and there. To archive, put this URL in front of the page you want to archive... http://liveweb.archive.org/ ... and then hit "latest". For example, I've already started with this, the park history page: http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.canadaswonderland.com/park-history/park-history -- Zanimum (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to Support now that issues have been fixed. I tweaked the sorting for the N/A bits a little as well. --PresN 22:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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