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List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna

List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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talk) 11:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply
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I am renominating this for featured list. I came across this list while trying to save it from deletion at AfD some months back. The list was later nominated by

talk) 11:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply
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The archive of the first FL nomination discussion with my new comments in Red
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talk) 11:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply
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Ayrton Senna doesn't have the most Grand Prix wins; that accolade goes to Michael Schumacher. But Senna, perhaps due to the manner and timing of his death, is revered as one of the best Formula One drivers of all time. Each time a driver passes his wins total, as Vettel and Hamilton have done recently, it is considered a significant milestone. I put off nominating this list for a while, as I had concerns about stability, as I knew that the WikiProject weren't widely in favour. However, it has since survived an AfD, and so I am happy to now list it here. As always, all comments, thoughts and suggestions welcome. Harrias talk 13:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Maybe mention the rivalry with Prost?
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Comments I have no problem with this list meeting 3b or being notable, as Harrias states, when Vettel and Hamilton passed Senna's total is widely covered in the mainstream media.

  • "He entered Formula One in 1984 with the Toleman team, but after one season, he bought out his contract and moved to Lotus." ref?
It's there in Ref 1. "Feeling Toleman couldn't match his ambitions though; Senna bought out his contract and moved to Lotus in 1985" Cowlibob (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "McLaren. With McLaren..." not great having McLaren twice in quick succession. Perhaps Senna would win all three of his world championships...with the team? (Edited it appropriately.
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  • "He wanted to move to Williams after 1992, but was prevented from doing so by a clause in Alain Prost's contract." ref? (Provided.
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  • "He did make the move for 1994,..." -> He moved to Williams in 1994,..." (Done.
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  • You need to add a symbol to go with the colour in the table for
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  • Maybe the Race column should be Grand Prix, seeing as that is what they — Preceding
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  • Key needs to explain why 1988, 1990 & 1991 are in yellow.
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Review by Cowlibob
  • "is considered by many" perhaps "some" would be a more neutral word here (Done.
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  • "21 April 1985" no need to the repeat the year as we already know it was in 1985. (Done.
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  • "In 1988, " reword needed to avoid saying 1988 twice in short succession. (Done.
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  • For the references, is it possible to have more a diverse set of sources as the vast majority are cited to ESPN F1? (Where ESPN has been used in the commentary, I've added additional source. The usage of ESPN in the table is, in my opinion, acceptable, as these are numerical figures and are simply replicated in other references.
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  • Less shouting in the references. AUTOSPORT should be Autosport, F1PULSE should be F1 Pulse (Done.
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  • What makes F1 Pulse, speedcafe, Formula One Art & Genius, StatsF1 reliable sources? (They are generally considered reliable. But I have provided alternative additional sources with each one you've mentioned.
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  • Need info in the key that 1988, 1990, 1991 are highlighted in yellow because those were seasons he was world champion. (Done with the dagger legend.
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That's a quick run-through. Cowlibob (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "With McLaren, Senna won all three of his world championships..." I would change this to 'Senna won all three of his world championships with Mclaren...' (Done.
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  • "In the subsequent three seasons with McLaren..." I feel like there should be a comma at the end here (Done.
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  • ref 15 needs the author and date of publication (Done.
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Cant' see much wrong otherwise. NapHit (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks NapHit
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Source review

  • The books for ref 2 and 3 are not specified (Done. Lourdes)
  • What makes prostfan.com a reliable site? (Replaced with BBC and another source. Lourdes)
  • Same with Speedcafe.com (This was pointed out in the first FL by another editor Cowlibob. I have already provided alternative reliable sources for the same. Lourdes)
  • Same with F1 pulse (Per above, alternative sources provided already. Lourdes)
  • Likewise Formula One Art and Genius (Per above, done. Lourdes)
  • ref 5 needs the publication date and author adding (Cited inside the template. Lourdes)
  • Checked a few refs and there doesn't appear to be any evidence of close paraphrasing

NapHit (talk) 15:59, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    • NapHit, thanks for giving your Support already. I have addressed all your queries above. Lourdes 04:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Review by PresN

Recusing myself from closing. Comments, all from the lead:

  • "Over the next five years, the intense rivalry between Senna and Prost" - Prost has not been mentioned up to this point, nor any rivalry- you first mention him a few sentences later.
  • "Senna won all three of his world championships with McLaren in 1988, 1990 and 1991, during six seasons." -> "Senna won all three of his world championships during his six seasons with McLaren, in 1988, 1990 and 1991."
  • 'and the light very poor."' - period goes outside the quote, as you're not quoting a full sentence.
  • "He won two races in each of his three years with Lotus, before moving to McLaren for the 1988 season." - no comma
  • "That year, he secured his first Formula One world championship" -> "He secured his first Formula One world championship that year"
  • "His eight victories that year was a new record for the most wins in a season, breaking the previous record of seven set by Jim Clark." - 'victories...was' is off; to avoid using "set" twice, try "His eight victories that year set a new record for the most wins in a season, breaking the previous record of seven by Jim Clark."
  • "Subsequently, Senna managed" - drop the "Subsequently", as you used it in the prior sentence.
  • "forty-one victories were for McLaren, and 32" - mixing number types; use "41" to be consistent with other uses
  • "where he won six times during his career, including a record five consecutive times, between 1989 and 1993" - drop the comma before "between", unless you meant that all 6 wins were between 1989 and 1993

Not too many. --PresN 19:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks PresN. Will get on to this in a couple of days. Lourdes 06:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added more rowspans for the const/engine cols, hope that isn't bad. --Golbez (talk) 19:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am also getting onto this on this weekend. Tried but couldn't find time last weekend. Thanks for chipping in. Lourdes 09:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • PresN, thank you for giving so much time to review. I have incorporated all your suggestions. The first suggestion regards Prost, I have handled by including a wikilink to Alain Prost and describing the line as follows: "Over the next five years, the intense rivalry between Senna and Alain Prost, a leading Formula One driver, came to the forefront, with particularly notable race incidents and collisions occurring between the two." Thanks again. Lourdes 01:45, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --PresN 14:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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