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List of Indian Academy Award winners and nominees

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Nominator(s): Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating a list after a while. I have worked on this important list and I feel it meets the criteria. Constructive feedbacks are welcome. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment
  • I am a bit confused by some of the entries - almost all are for categories recognising the best film, and yet you list the nominee as a person?? As an example, I checked the source for 1989, and it just lists the winner of Best Foreign Language Film as "Salaam Bombay! (India)" - Mira Nair is not mentioned at all. Similarly the source for 2007 lists the winner of the same category as "Water (Canada)" - no mention of Deepa Mehta. On what grounds have you determined that those individuals were the nominees.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude Fixed now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 09:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's actually made it more confusing. You now have simply
Howard's End listed, but that film was a US-UK-Japan co-production, so how does that make it an Indian nominee? In the case of the Best Picture Oscar, the award goes to the producers of the film (the source in this article confirms this), so your listing of Ismail Merchant as a nominee was in fact correct. So for categories where the producer wins it is OK to list the producer, but for best foreign film I think you should just name the film as that is what wins (this means you will need to find a source that confirms that Water was officially a Canada-India co-production, as the oscars.org source just lists Canada)...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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ChrisTheDude Done. Howard's End is produced by an Indian and since it was nominated for best picture, the producer should be mentioned. I have removed Water from the list per Shahid's comment as it was indeed nominated from Canada. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Shahid

  • My first concern was going to be exactly the one raised by Chris, about the films that won the Best Foreign Film award (the director usually accepts the award but the official winner seems to be the country). Now that you've changed the winners, I'm not sure Water should be there because it represented Canada.
Hope its resolved now.
  • In the case of Howards End, the producer's name should be there because it is the producer who wins the award.
Done
  • It could be just me but I honestly think the name of the article should be changed because it's ambiguous: "List of Indian Academy Award winners and nominees" - this wording makes it sound as though there is some sort of "Indian Academy Award", namely the award is Indian and not the winners and nominees. I think it should be "List of Indian winners and nominees of the Academy Awards".
The name is consistent with other similar lists like List of Canadian Academy Award winners and nominees and List of Pakistani Academy Award winners and nominees.
Still doesn't justify this ambiguous wording in my opinion (the pages you're citing are not recognised as featured content). What do you personally think about it? Shahid • Talk2me 16:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't think the name needs to be changed. There isn't any Indian Academy award, but there is one for television. Still, I would want ChrisTheDude to have a say on this. Yashthepunisher (talk) 11:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "have received or have been nominated" - the second "have" seems redundant to me.
Fixed.
  • "11 Indians have been nominated for a total of 14 Oscars, six of whom have won seven Oscars." - is it your own calculation or there might be some source supporting it? Just wondering, no big deal if there isn't.
Tweaked. It's my own calculation per the entries. Since every entry is sourced in the list, I didn't source the sentence.
  • I do not understand the "Scientific and Technical Awards" section - what's that? What were they nominated for?
@Shshshsh: - see Academy Scientific and Technical Award -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well then in this case it should be linked or be presented with introductory sentence. Shahid • Talk2me 23:46, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have mentioned it in the lead. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shshshsh Please have a look. I have hopefully resolved your queries. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yashthepunisher, I'm leaning support but just unsure about the name of the article. I wonder what others like Chris and yourself think about it, regardless of what other similar articles are named. Shahid • Talk2me 16:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments
  • As a song title, Jai Ho should be in quote marks
  • "Several Indian Americans have received the Oscars in the technical category like Vanitha Rangaraju" - Ranagraju is not an Indian American according to her article - she was born in India and did not move to the US till she was 26 years old.
  • You need to work in a link somewhere to Academy Scientific and Technical Award and also specify which award they won (there is more than one category)
  • Film titles which start with A, An or The should sort based on the next word
  • Can't see any reason for the note to be squashed into the left hand side of the page, it looks a bit silly IMO
  • Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All done except the forth one. I'm having some issue with the sorting. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One more comment
  • You have Vanitha Rangaraju listed in the "scientific and technical awards" section but you give the award as Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, which is not a technical award. The Oscar in that category is presented to the film's producer (in this case Aron Warner), not jointly to every single person who worked on it. I can't find any evidence that Vanitha Rangaraju was awarded an Oscar, and the source against her entry doesn't support it, it just says that the film won an Oscar and she was one of many people who worked on it. That's not the same thing at all...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude Fully agree. I have removed the entry. Thanks for your comments. Can you please also address the 3rd query of Shshshsh? Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:06, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude Done now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:10, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from zmbro
  • Tables have scope cols but not scope rows per
    MOS:ACCESS
    ; add these to the recipient
  • Tables also need headings
  • Note cols don't need to be sortable
  • Per
    WP:Sorting
    , individuals need to be sorted by their last names not their first, and films that start with "A, An, The, etc." need to be sorted by the next word (i.e. Creation of Woman not The Creation of Woman)
  • Can we archive ref 1, 25, and 29?

Rest looks good for me. – zmbro (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from GagaNutella
  • "Jai Ho." -> "Jai Ho".
Done
  • Add the film's year in the first caption.
Done
  • Refs aren't aligned to the center.
Hope they are fixed now
  • There are issues with the sorting on the recipients and film column in the competitive awards section.
Please read comment #4 of Zmbro
  • Wikilink DreamWorks Animation.
Done
  • Try to wikilink Shotover K1 Camera System, I have no ideia what's this.
There isn't any wiki article on this. It's some sort of an aerial camera.
  • Ref 1: wikilink CNN-News18 and it isn't in italic. Ref 3: wikilink The Times of India. Ref 5: wikilink The Hindu. Ref 6: wikilink BBC. Ref 7: wikilink Daily News and Analysis. Ref 9: wikilink Outlook. Ref 10: wikilink The Economic Times. Ref 25: wikilink Variety. Ref 29: wikilink Hindustan Times. GagaNutellatalk 03:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All done. GagaNutella please have a look. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed (though the above reviews basically did one in aggregate); promoting. --PresN 23:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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