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List of Queens Park Rangers F.C. seasons

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Nominator(s): Miyagawa (talk) 20:10, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An FLC six years in the making! I initially listed this in 2012, but withdrew it when I realised that there was the probability that the initial amateur years section was incomplete. Finally, after all this time, I managed to get a hold of the original 19th century sources today thanks to the British Library's version of the British Newspaper Archive. So with that in mind, I can say for certain that where the table doesn't list a league/cup competition in the 1800's, it means that QPR were not in a league that season. They played a lot (a lot!) of friendlies and didn't compete in a league between 1893 and 1896. The results from 1892/93 West London League is interesting, as I didn't find a final league table even in the newspaper which founded the league. The best I got was the same as the previous cite - a text listing of the points for each team in the order of positions. The West London Observer Cup and the West London Challenge Cup were run separately (both by the West London Observer newspaper) in the initial 1890/91 season, but then only the West London Observer Football Challenge Cup was run in the following years. There wasn't any details on the scorers for any of the amateur years (only very occasional match reports in fact). Miyagawa (talk) 20:10, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jmnbqb (talk) 10:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Jmnbqb
  • The top note link on "details of the current season" can be changed to the newest season
  • Date Ranges should be full years per
    MOS:DATERANGE
  • In the first paragraph, did the "St Judes" team have punctuation in the name?
  • In the first paragraph, the comma can be removed in "Initially an amateur side, who played..."
  • In the second paragraph, the semicolon should be a colon in "the English football league system;..."
  • I think the history section should be removed; there's already an article dedicated to it, it doesn't really relate to the "list of seasons", and you already have basic history explained in the lead
  • I think the dashes in "Details for abandoned competitions – the 1938–39 Third Division South Cup and the 1939–40 Football League – are shown in italics and appropriately footnoted." can be changed to commas since you have a dash overload with the date ranges
  • Dashes in the Top Scorer first column should be centered
  • Why are Positions in the Pos column wiki linked when you have the same wiki link for the season column?
  • Reference 3 needs to be reformatted

Overall I can tell you put a lot of work into it! I love using the really old sources! If you get a chance, I would appreciate a review on one of my listed FLCs. Jmnbqb (talk) 14:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for reviewing. I've made those changes. If there ends up being a consensus to bring back the history summary then I can always bring it back out of an old edit - for now I've moved the relevant citations into the lead. Thanks for pointing out the MOS change, I hadn't realised that and I've been using incorrect date formats for a couple of years!! Regarding the wikilinks in the Positions and seasons, the Positions are linked to the articles for that season in the league that QPR were in while the season link on the left should be linked to the individual season articles specifically for QPR - however, where those don't exist, they're instead linked to the "xx-xx in English Football" articles. Miyagawa (talk) 09:57, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the standard format for referring to seasons is 19XX-YY, which I note you even use in the top paragraph above, yet the article consistently uses 19XX-19YY. Any reason for this? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was advised to update it by the previous commentator per the 2016 changes to
MOS:DATERANGE. Miyagawa (talk) 19:36, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I disagree completely with that - sporting seasons are not simple date ranges, there is a very specific style by which they are referred -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've switched the date formats back to how they were originally. Miyagawa (talk) 10:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "they joined" -> QPR joined.
  • "who went on to win " why not just "who won"?
  • "1981–1982 competition." piped to a redirect.
  • "in 1899–1900 to " bit EGGy, should be more like "in the 1899–1900 season to "
  • You have two different red links to the same competition (West London Observer Cup (in the table) & West London Observer Football Challenge Cup (in the key).
  • I'd updated the key when I found the original name in the source newspapers. I've fixed the link in the table now too. Miyagawa (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The F* could use an explanation, i.e. why a final wasn't completed.
  • I've added a note to explain it. The only mention of a reason I've found is in Macey, which states that their opponents refused to play the game. While I didn't find a source for this during my newspaper trawl from that period, I did find references to QPR's opponents refusing to play other cup games due to location and dates put forward. It's likely that was the case once again. Miyagawa (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Full Members' Cup needs apostrophe.
  • Our article calls it "Southern Professional Floodlit Cup"
  • I've changed it to match the article. Miyagawa (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dennis Bailey is piped to a redirect.
  • Fixed, I'd missed out the comma in the dab portion of the link. Miyagawa (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As are Browning and Clarke.
  • Akos Buzsaky could use some diacritics.
  • Rodney Marsh is piped to a redirect back to itself.
  • This one was because the dab portion was removed since it was first added. Now a direct link in each of the locations. Miyagawa (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes use different season format to table and prose.
  • I'd forgotten to change over the season format in the notes, but I've now reversed the previous edits so it should all match once again. Miyagawa (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query: where are seasons post-Macy referenced?
  • I've added new citations from the Football Club History Database and Soccerbase for the league positions/cup results and the top scorers in each season (sadly the QPR website has removed these sort of historical results from the present version). Miyagawa (talk) 11:13, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ok, I think I've covered everything. Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to take a look at. Miyagawa (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Kosack (talk) 14:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • In the description of the main image, should it be competed and not compete?
  • Update the current season note to 2017–18.
  • Pipe Queens Park Rangers Football Club and Manchester United to Queens Park Rangers F.C. and Manchester United F.C. to avoid redirects.
  • Pipe League Cup to EFL Cup in the second paragraph and in note D.
  • Pipe Tottenham link in note S.
  • 1922–23 and 1923–24 season top scorer has a disambiguation needed tag.
  • Note G states that all Southern League First Division teams moved to the Third Division but Cardiff City moved to the Second Division so it was only the majority not all.
  • For some reason William Heathcote sorts top alphabetically in the top goalscorer column and his goals column is empty.

A few minor issues from a quick run through. Kosack (talk) 15:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks, I've fixed those issues. The Heathcote problem had arisen as I'd managed to place the template end code after the start of the next row. It stopped the goals from displaying and messed up the sorting. Miyagawa (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – concerns addressed. Kosack (talk) 14:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Minor point, but the photo caption needs a period at the end.
    No it doesn't. It's a fragment, an incomplete sentence. If it said "The Queens Park Rangers team from the 1907–08 season won the Southern League for the first time and competed in the first Charity Shield match" then it'd need a period. As it stands, it's fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:51, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the table columns with figures need number sorting templates because they are being ordered by first number only when the sort button is clicked. The player goals column is fine, but the rest of them need tweaking.
    No, I checked that, I think most of the problems you may be seeing are from the seasons where there are two row entries, not much can be done there. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 31 and 36 need en dashes in the page ranges. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, fixed using the dash script. Miyagawa (talk) 08:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – My few issues have been explained or addressed adequately, and I'm confident that this meets FL standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after trying to find something to comment on, I've got nothing. Ref 11 throws a CS1 error, with a accessdate when there's no URL. There... something. . Courcelles (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed- fixed that CS1 error. Promoting. --PresN 16:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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