Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international goals scored by Abby Wambach/archive1

• Overall, I think the basic information is contained within the list to ensure it would pass FL standards without too much in the way of additions. However, I think it actually needs a lot of trimming as there is an awful lot of what I would call "guff" in there which really makes it difficult to read. I would recommend the following actions taken as there is a clear style for FL Lists of International Goals as demonstrated by all the current FLs such as Rooney, Henry, Healy, Keane, Klose and Charlton, which this list should attempt to mirror:

• I don't think the summary is necessary, I'm not sure where the calculation methodologies have come from, but they seem a bit
  OR'y
  to me. also, much of what is there has nothing to do with the goals scored.
• The following columns should be removed from the list of goals:

Goal - There is no need for this as there is no need to list each cap

Lineup - not relevant to a list of goals and not standard use

# - This is just confusing and is self evident from the tabulation

Min - Not standard. To be honest though this does seem relevant, so not sure why it is not in the current FL selection, so no real problem keeping this in

Assist / Pass - I could accept that this might be more relevant for an American player, but the notion of an "assist" is hotly debated in football, so if this were to remain, these would all need to be clearly referenced in the same way each goal is

• I'm not sure how helpful the colour coding is. It's not used anywhere else and is quite confusing.
• I would rework the order of columns so they match with the current FL standard
• I would have a separate reference column, that way where one reference covers multiple elements in a row there is no need to have multiple superscripts
• The "Goals Categorised by type of match display 1/2" is overkill. A more concise summary is simply to echo the breakdown section commonly used
• The assists table should be removed entirely, this is a list of Wambach's goals, not other peoples' assists. It is also completely unreferenced.
• The goals by country table is not standard. I'm not vehemently against it, but I'm not sure what it adds. All it seems to say is that she scored against a wide variety of teams which one would expect anyway. Is there anything particularly notable about this table? If not, I would remove it, if so, I would bring that out in sourced prose.
• The assists sections should be removed entirely, this is a list of Wambach's goals not her assists for other people's goals.

Hope this helps. Fenix down (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harvardton - do you have any thoughts on any of these suggestions? Would you be willing to edit the article with some or all of these to be more in line with other featured lists? Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)List of international goals scored by Landon Donovan is also an example that was recently passed as FL. Hmlarson (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harvardton - perhaps the assist data could be moved to its own article so it is not lost. She ranks third in assists in the history of the team. Hmlarson (talk) 00:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User: Hmlarson, User:Fenix down - Comments from User: Harvardton

• the list was created for completeness of information, since this is an encyclopedia. USSoccer provided these information on their website, unlike other federation which makes it hard to find information on their players
• it is not intended to be a summary of goals scored, it is not just an article of Wambach for which there is a separate biographical article
• each piece of information contained in the list have at least one citation
• assist is part of the game just like goals, without the rest of the team Wambach will score no goal, nor will the other team members without the rest of the team. Assist should be enumerated as part of her achievement. There are some very good players who score few goals but provide assist to other players. Wambach is one player who scored more than anyone and has provided third number of assist, which makes her a great player.
• the calculations of summary is similar to other articles, and I took the trouble to put it in the article. Those are information fitting of an encyclopedia
• personally, I will not excise information from the article. However, it could use some editing to improve the appearance of the tables
• However, I made my contribution to wikipedia and expect nothing in return and is mindful that articles can be edited by others. Frankly, List of international goals scored by Landon Donovan is quite bland. BTW, I had collected all the match reports on Donovan's goals but did not have the time to put the list together.

Harvardton (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hmlarson do you intend to address these comments? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:08, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to have a look at this today and present an alternative version closer to the current accepted FL style for this type of list. Fenix down (talk) 09:45, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fenix down what's happening? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think I am most of the way there, currently working through a large number of dead links as pre 2012 the us soccer links are gone. Am replacing those with archived links. Will also then need to wiki link to the competitions goals were scored in and then use the sources to identify the ground matches were played at and link properly to them. One more small table to add and a bit of copy editing on the prose and I think we can have another look. Have been busy recently but will be sending a few hours on it tomorrow. Fenix down (talk) 23:17, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Competitions wiki-linked. ✔ Perhaps the bot that fixes dead links + updates with archive.org links can assist with the archive urls. Hmlarson (talk) 00:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help. I'll have a look at the other bits today. Hopefully we can get this to FL soon. Fenix down (talk) 07:36, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

re: your edit citing overlinking, featured list List of international goals scored by Landon Donovan is overlinked applying the same rationale. Hmlarson (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OLINK, where the duplicated links were place names or competition names and so repeating the linkage would not help readers increase their understanding of the list, so arguable Landon Donovan should not have them either, but I'm not precious about it as the list is pretty lengthy so a degree of repetition is perhaps ok. Fenix down (talk) 17:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply

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The article is currently a FL candidate. It's status has not changed. Can you clarify what you meany by "try again"? Hmlarson (talk) 17:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, as nothing had happened in three weeks before Ibegan editing it and because it had only edited the archive page, I assumed it had been closed as a failure due to inactivity. Fenix down (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The reference tot he latest goal in a World Cup should be 120+2 since the game is only 120 minutes it couldn't have been at 122 minutes.

The location names outside the US don't indicate what country. Sure the ones that are linked it's simple enough to hover, but for the ones that aren't, if you don't know it, you've got to either copy-paste to the search box to find out. I know there's some standards to follow here, but this one seems a bit weird to me.

Either way, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be FL.--John, AF4JM (talk) 19:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look. I don't agree about 120+2. Every article I've seen about this notable goal says 122nd minute, including the reference included in the lead. Here's a video clip. I agree adding the countries (including USA) would be a useful addition to the list. Hmlarson (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Y Countries have been added. Hmlarson (talk) 01:44, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]