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List of songs recorded by Pink Martini

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Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 22:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets criteria and closely resembles the similar list of songs recorded by Fiona Apple, which I recently co-promoted to FL status. I appreciate those who take time to review this list and I am happy to address concerns as they arise. Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Comments Looks good to me, I just have a few comments:
  • Might be worth clarifying that Sympathique was their debut album.
  • Per
    WP:OVERLINK
    , common languages need not be linked to.
  • MOS:CONSECUTIVE
    suggests not to use a second terminal punctuation mark to end a sentence (i.e. "Hey Eugene!." -> "Hey Eugene!")
    • Done. I think there was only one instance in which that occurred. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:19, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the reasoning in the Fiona Apple FLC, you can probably get away without linking each instance of Pink Martini in the table.
  • Are the songwriting credits for "The Flying Squirrel" and "Malagueña" available?
  • First citation needs a comma after "March 16".
  • As a website, Allmusic probably needn't be italicised.

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply
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I hope your concerns have been addressed. Please let me know if you find other issues. Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • That photo of Chavela Vargas is kind of busy – it might be worth uploading a new, cropped version that makes it clearer who the focus of the image is. I'll do it myself, if you'd like.
  • Why do the two versions of "Song of the Black Lizard" have two completely different songwriters?
    • Look again. These are two different songs. :) --Another Believer (Talk) 20:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Whoops, my mistake, sorry about that. So, these are two completely different songs that happen to have incredible similar titles?
  • Does "Donde Estas Yolanda?" have a comma or not?
  • "Ii Janaino Shiawase Naraba" needs to be above "Is That All There Is?" when the page first loads.
  • Similarly, "A Snowglobe Christmas" needs to be above "Song of the Black Lizard".
    • Done. Good eye. Thank you! (Can get a little confusing working with such a large table!) --Another Believer (Talk) 02:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know it should be quite obvious, but there may be merit in describing Thomas Lauderdale as the "Pink Martini founder" rather than "Founder", just to remove any possible ambiguity.
    • Instead, I added Pink Martini to the caption of the image above, then added "The group's..." to Lauderdale's caption. Let me know if you disapprove. --Another Believer (Talk) 02:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there anything that "video album" could be linked to? That's the term that's confusing me the most, and it's the one of the only ones not linked.
    • "Video album" itself redirects to music video, so I made this the pipelink. --Another Believer (Talk) 02:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do the remixes and other versions represent distictly different recordings to their originals? There's no real consensus on this issue, but I'd argue that the remixes are not, strictly speaking, songs recorded by Pink Martini, and would thus fall outside the scope of this list. But, like I say, there's no real consensus either way, so I'll leave it with you.
    • Great questions. I am torn on the issue. For a group with just a handful of remixes / alternate versions, I can see how they might be worth mentioning. But I imagine there are dozens of remixes of songs by popular artists, say Rihanna... surely a list of songs she recorded would not contain 17 versions of one song? I am tempted to leave the information for now, mostly because these tracks appear on studio albums... not singles or remix albums... If, in the future, consensus determines otherwise, the songs could be removed. -Another Believer (Talk) 02:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Note: I have asked A Thousand Doors to revisit this review. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that I'm only just getting back to you. Just a couple more comments from me:

  • The first sentence of the second paragraph talks about "more original songs". Yet, at this point in the lead, you've not actually mentioned Pink Martini's original songs at all. I'd suggest either mentioning somewhere in the first paragraph how many original songs feature on Sympathique, or else rewriting that sentence.
Done. (Listed the three original tracks that appear on the debut album.) --Another Believer (Talk) 23:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Discover the World: Live in Concert is the only album in the lead whose contents you describe in the past tense (i.e. "featured" and "included", rather than "features" and "includes").
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mas Que Nada" -> "Mas que Nada"
I do not see "Mas Que Nada" anywhere. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, that should really have been a lower case Q – basically, the "Mas que Nada" in the lead is missing opening quotation marks. Also, I've made a slight punctuation edit here – it may just be a personal preference, but it seemed like there were a lot of parentheses flying around in the lead. Please revert if you don't like the change.
A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Ohh, ok. I thought you were requesting a change related to capitalization. Your edit works for me! Thanks. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Just had a final look over, and there are no other issues that I can see (aside from "Martiniand" -> "Martini and"). Great work!
    A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:46, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Done. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 23:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Nice work and does what is needs to do. Nicely balanced lead covers the main points and the table works well. The only suggestion I would make is for you to consider using {{Tooltip|Ref.|Reference}} for the reference column, but that's entirely up to you (see List of works by H. C. McNeile for the result). Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks! I was not familiar with the abbr/tooltip template. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Great article; no issues! It's great to see song lists finally getting completion (for years, we've just had boring ugly ones that listed every song in bullet form.) Everytime I comment on one of these I always say the same thing, I need to finish mine. Zach 17:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 18:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • The images could all use alt text.
Done. Wow, I am surprised I forgot to include alt text. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 22:51, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The lead image now has alt text, but the others don't. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an error with the tool? I added alt text to all of the image. When I click on the "alt text" link in the box at the top of this page, the page does not load as normal. (?) Please see article to view alt text. --Another Believer (Talk) 02:28, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't put the alt= into the image templates for the non-lead images. This prevents the alt text from showing up. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks! The tool still does not work for me, but I added the alt text command so hopefully all is resolved. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the Delgado image, the alt text still isn't showing up. If you capitalized the alt= parameter, it doesn't work; I've seen that in several previous FLC. Not sure if that's the issue, but it's one possibility. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:10, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The List of songs heading doesn't need the first two words.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:23, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:23, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking the time to review this list. Much appreciated! --Another Believer (Talk) 22:51, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as I've come to expect, a very good list. I would only ask if you could crop the lead image to get rid of the distracting lower half of the crowd? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am not familiar with uploading images taken by others, except if using the Flickr upload tool, so I replaced the image with a better one. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nice choice! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:27, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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