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Women's Professional Snooker Championship

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Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:01, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this as a featured list as a companion to Women's Professional Billiards Championship. I've followed the format from there for the main table. The Women's Professional Snooker Championship never attracted many participants, but regularly made the national press, and received varying degrees of coverage in the specialist billiards and snooker journal of the time. Ruth Harrison dominated the competition, winning all eight of the editions that she entered. As ever, all suggestions for improvement are welcome. I can provide extracts from offline sources to reviewers. Many thanks. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:01, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • Against 1938, there's a sentence which doesn't start with a capital letter
  • Against 1940, there's a repeated "which"
  • "They were tied at 15–15, which forced deciding frame" => "They were tied at 15–15, which forced a deciding frame" (1949)
  • That's it I think - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from MyCatIsAChonk
  • Add
    Template:Use Oxford English
    or otherwise appropriate tag
  • Can any links be added to the refs? The lack of links concerns me about the verifiability of the article. Of course, it's no grounds for an opposition, but it'd be nice to have them present, particularly for the books.
  • I found two of the books on archive.org and have added links. Most of the newspapers, apart from The Times, are available on the British Newspaper Archive, for which the Wikipedia Library has a limited number of licences. The Billiard Player is a bit trickier - I have a LOT of copies of pages that I've taken from the copeies in the British Library. As mentioned above, I can provide extracts from offline sources to reviewers. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could an image of the venue be put in the infobox? I don't see one on Commons, but there seems to be some at this website.
  • Which one? The 1950 one could be an issue as we don't know where it was published or if it had a copyright notice; but the 1841 one would be fine in terms of licence. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whichever you feel is appropriate- the comment was more of a question, as I'm not particularly familiar with the standards regarding infobox images in snooker articles. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 22:38, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BennyOnTheLoose, it's an impressive article considering how little information there is about the tournament on the web. Very nice job! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 18:28, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's not all that much offline info either! It was an interesting list to work on. Thanks for the review, MyCatIsAChonk. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support, the image license looks good, and the lack of links makes sense. Best to not link to TWL (in my opinion), since the general viewer won't be able to access it. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 22:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from EnthusiastWorld37
  • "Only four different players reached the final during its existence, with Ruth Harrison winning eight of the ten events. The other players to hold the title were Agnes Morris and Thelma Carpenter." - perhaps reference this section of text?
  • I was hoping that this is adequately supported from the table. There are few enough tournaments that I think a manual count from the reader could easily confirm these (
    WP:CALC, I think). No sources explicitly state all of this info; the lists in books give the winner and years, and sometimes explicitly state that Harrsion won eight titles, but don't have the scores, runners-up or venues. I could add a bundled reference (basically most of the references from the table) if required. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • "She did not participate in the 1949 or 1950 championships." - same issue as above
  • "The first tournaments were held at Burroughes Hall, London, and the tournaments from 1947 were held at Leicester Square Hall, London." - repetition of the word "tournaments" as well as "were held"
  • "The Women's World Open in 1976 and the 1980 Women's World Open" - The Women's World Open in 1976 and 1980
  • "were later recognised at the first editions" - typo
  • "There were five entrants, but Joyce Gardener withdrew due to influenza, giving Carpenter a walkover to the final." - shouldn't that be Gardner?
  • Agnes Davies in the 1940 table row is linked to Agnes Morris, the American writer and clubwoman
  • The term bye can be wikilinked to Bye (sports)

That is my lot for this list

EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Many thanks,
EnthusiastWorld37. I've replied above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Support –
EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 06:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Support by Lee Vilenski

Reviewing Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:11, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • The tournament was held ten times from 1934 to 1950, with a break from 1941 to 1947.[1][2] Only four different players reached the final during its existence, with Ruth Harrison winning eight of the ten events. The other players to hold the title were Agnes Morris and Thelma Carpenter. -> Held ten times, the event was first played from 1934 to 1941, and again from 1947 to 1950. Across all ten editions, only four players reached the final. Ruth Harrison won eight of the events, with Agnes Morris and Thelma Carpenter winning the others. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we have a source stating why it was cancelled in 1941? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:03, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • claimed her eighth title when the tournament was re-established in 1947.[1] She did not participate in the 1949 tournament as she felt that holding the event in June meant it would fall outside of the annual snooker season - this seems a bit odd to me, as we don't mention 1948 at all. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:28, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Corrected the typo : "re-established in 1948". BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first tournaments were held at Burroughes Hall, London, and the events from 1947 took place at Leicester Square Hall, London - maybe start this with "The events were all played in London, England..." Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link first usage of frames. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So from an earlier point, the lede suggests she won her eighth event in 1947, but it was in fact 1948. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Corrected it here, too. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think a better wording would be that Harrison won all of the first eight events, and didn't enter the other two. If possible the word "undefeated" might be suitable. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Amended. Tempting to add "undefeated" but I don't think it is ever used in retrospective sources, so I didn't. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Many thanks, Lee Vilenski. I've replied above. Let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, that's a shame really, but it MUST be true, as there's no group stage, it's impossible for her to win 8 tournaments only playing in eight. Oh well. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoted. --PresN 02:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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