Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The School of Athens

The School of Athens

Well, I'm not smart enough to remember who uploaded the image, but it is a famous painting by Raphael (the painter, not the Ninja Turtle). It's only around 500 years old, so I'm not sure of the Public Domain status. It is used in Raphael Rooms and a few other pages.

• Nominate and support. - Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 21:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Great painting, I saw it when i went to the vatican. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 03:57, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • You lucky little bast... ion of traveling knowledge. What did you think I was gonna say? 8^) --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 14:44, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not quite sure. =P --ZeWrestler ^Talk 05:22, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral - I'm not sure about the copyright tag. This painting is to be found in the
  Vatican Museum. It is strictly forbidden to take photos inside this museum. What is the origin of this image ? This must be cleared up first. JoJan 20:52, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply
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  • I do not know the exact origin of this specific capture of the fresco (whoever uploaded it might know), but what exactly would that have to do with the copyright? I think the tag says it all, no? Maybe Italian copyright law is different. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 14:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Where it came from matters a lot, I'm afraid (because I'd love to have this as an FP on Wikipedia). The {{PD}} template quoting Bridgeman vs Corel is completely invalid for more than one reason, but the clearest one is that the subject of this image is simply not two-dimensional, even if the bit we are most interested in is flat (a lot of the apparent non-flatness is cleverness by Raphael, but the top right and left corners are genuinely arching towards the camera). Also, creativity and imagination went into the lighting of this (well above average) picture photograph, and copyright can certainly subsist in that. I guess from the fact that the uploader quoted Bridgeman vs Corel in support, that this image is in fact copyright and illegal on Wikipedia.  :-( I'll leave a comment on the uploader's talk page asking for the source. ~ Veledan • Talk ^{+ new} 16:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. having re-read my comments, I want to make it clear that I'm not implying anything but good faith on the part of the person who took the trouble to upload this great image and made the effort to justify its presence on Wikipedia. This is always worthy of praise, even if it turns out that the effort suffers from a misunderstanding of a technicality. ~ Veledan • Talk ^{+ new} 17:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• I got the image from a google image search for "school of athens". Doing the same search, and looking for the dimensions of this picture, it seems one link at least is here, with the image itself here. I'm not sure if this is the original source or not, as there's no other information at that site. For all I know, they might have pulled it from Wikipedia. I uploaded the pic thinking that as a (really) old 2d painting, it is public domain. Of the 10-12 pictures I could find on google image search, this was the clearest (others had more resolution, but were blurry, etc.). Hope that helps. If it's decided that it isn't public domain, I'm sure a shout out to wikipedians could dig up a high-resolution, clear, appropriately copyrighted version. --jacobolus (t) 20:45, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: the detailed pictures shown below the whole painting, at School of Athens, were taken from a different source. I don't remember where though. I found them on the same google search. These are certainly 2-dimensional portions of the painting. --jacobolus (t) 20:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted The rules require four or more supporting votes. If the copyright issue was to be sorted out I'm sure this would attract more votes if resubmitted. Raven4x4x 06:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]