Wikipedia:Requests for comment/NE2 (second RFC)
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Statement of the dispute
After the disputes in the
Desired outcome
Though NE2 is trying to follow consensus as explained in the last RFC, he is gradually reverting back to his selfishness and
Description
Ever since his last RFC, his behaviour has improved just a tad, but unfortunately now, he has returned to his selfishness and bureaucratic ways.
NE2 removed many instances of the following images from highways that reference them:
- Image:New Jersey Turnpike Shield.svg
- Image:Kansas Turnpike.svg
- WP:NFCC#8." This was done despite the Purpose of Use (ex for Image:New Jersey Turnpike Shield.svg) stating:
“ | To visually identify the New Jersey Turnpike in the article in question, any article of a road system that connects to the New Jersey Turnpike (e.g., the Pennsylvania Turnpike), and any article referring to the system infrastructure (e.g., E-ZPass). | ” |
Similar Purpose of Use statements exist on the other images listed.
NE2 claimed
Evidence of disputed behaviour
Applicable policies and guidelines
- WP:WL
- WP:NOT#BURO
- WP:CONS
- WP:POINT
- WP:TROLL
- WP:FUC
- WP:CANVASS
Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}
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Response
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I was applying the non-free content criterion 8 correctly, and avoiding bureaucracy by just sticking my name in the template. This is ridiculous. --NE2 19:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Users who endorse this summary:
- The only example given (talk page) of was indeed the correct application of policy. If more example might be given a clearer picture might emerge. However if they are all in the same vein then NE2 is in the right. ViridaeTalk 07:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- NE2 is definitely correct on the issue of NFCC #8. Just because someone's made up a use rationale doesn't make it valid. Criteria #3 (minimal use) and #8 (decorative use) are both being violated here, and no consensus is allowed to trump policy. (ESkog)(Talk) 18:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Addendum: Per this discussion, it seems that some of these images may actually be in the public domain. That doesn't take away from the fact that NE2 was engaging in a good-faith attempt to correctly enforce our non-free content policies. (ESkog)(Talk) 22:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- While some of the edit summaries show me that NE2 hasn't yet addressed the prickliness amply documented in the first RfC, as a whole this RfC boils down to a) the disputed use of a template that seems to be (properly) headed for deletion and b) a good-faith effort to apply FUC 8. While this 1963 thing intrigues me, it isn't settled yet, and until it is we have to abide by it. Let's drop this and focus our energies on resolving the copyright status (or lack thereof) of toll-road logos. Daniel Case 03:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Outside view by Imdanumber1
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Rationale: This is the second time an RFC has been filed on NE2. Obviously the user is not showing any signs of changing, and if it continues, take it to ArbCom and have him blocked. If that seems like the only way to put an end to his problematic ways, do so. This has got to stop NE2. Seriously. If you need to take a break away from Wikipedia (which is what you might need), then do yourself a favor and take some time off. It seems like the only way to prevent yourself from running into trouble.
Users who endorse this summary:
JohnnyAlbert10's view
I think NE2 is a great user who works hard everyday on the wiki. But the problem is that he can't
Outside view by Krimpet
NE2 is a very
The core of the issue, I believe, is that USRD and its pages are treated too much like a
In my opinion, USRD really needs to realize that they are part of the broader Wikipedia community, and function as part of it, rather than having an "us vs. them" attitude towards the rest of the project, NE2 included. The USRD regulars, as well as NE2, have made a lot of great contributions to the encyclopedia, but collaboration with the encyclopedia as a whole is vital to the success of both. K]
Users who endorse this summary:
- K]
- master sonT - C 23:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC) (see my comment about this on the Talk page)
- Endorse this, and Master_son's related stuff on the talk page. ViridaeTalk 00:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- (ESkog)(Talk) 14:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Wikiprojects are subordinate to the community and project as a whole, not the other way around. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- I see no reason why this should be going on any longer. Krimpet is right. I scratched my other support and moved it down here. The occurrence of problems are just...silly. And it, from the looks of it, is starting to cool off. --Talk 01:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)]
Discussion
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