Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Not deleted/June 2006

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June 3rd

{{Runningbio-stub}}

Poorly-named duplicate of {{athletics-bio-stub}}. On the bright side, it feeds into the same category. Maybe just edit as a redirect? --fuzzy510 20:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Running-stub}}

Covers the exact same things as {{athletics-stub}}. Worst of all, however, is that instead of placing these stubs into their own category, it places them into Cat:Sports stubs. --fuzzy510 20:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's more to athletics than running. What about, say, jumping? Conscious 07:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Touche. That was worded poorly on my part, when I was more trying to say that it was clearly a child of athletcs-stub. --fuzzy510 09:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For one thing, not all running is "athletics" (in the non-US sense, and within the scope of the stub type). For another, these have been SFD'd three times in a little over a month: is there any chance of some actual breathing space to get this sorted out? If I were the associated wikiproject, I might feel a tad picked on by this point. Alai 20:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I completely didn't notice that. Wow, way for me to be completely clueless. On that note though, can someone from said WikiProject join the discussion so that this can be sorted out instead of us trying to figure it out without their guidance and opinion? --fuzzy510 23:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've left them a note; as we're already here, might be a chance to get some clarification from them as to intended usage... Alai 18:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 5th

{{CAsia-geo-stub}} and Cat:Central Asia geography stubs

Now that every country in this region has its own geo-stub category, the reason for this one has gone. It was always a fairly arbitrary category, anyway, given the several different meanings of "Central Asia". The six nation-specific geo-stub categories it contains can readily be moved to the Cat:Asia geography stubs category. Deleting it would remove a redundant level of hierarchy from the stub tree. Grutness...wha? 05:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Upmerge to Asia geography stubs. Besides if we treated Asia the way we do Africa, this should have been AsiaC-geo-stub instead. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, the other way round, really. Africa is the anomaly, and it's only like that because SAfrica-geo-stub would have led to confusion. Grutness...wha? 07:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • upmerge/delete. no point keeping the template since everythings covered. the subcats can go in the main asia geo cat. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep pending working out WTF we're doing with its children, which are almost all undersized, unproposed, recreations of earlier deletions, and uncle Tom Cobbley. Alai 02:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 13th

{{Argentina-sport-stub}} & Cat:Argentina sport stubs → {{Argentina-sport-bio-stub}} & Cat:Argentine sportspeople stubs

This has been brought to SFD before, because of being slightly undersized and not fitting into the normal heirarchy. The main reason it was kept was the desire to have a stub category for Argentine sportspeople. We now have other national sportspeople categories and enough Argentine sportspeople stubs to populate a category that follows the standard conventions, so I feel that it is time that we rename the template accordingly and place it on the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename and rescope, per nom. Alai 18:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is. There are a lot of other things within this Stub category including stadiums (Estadios) and sports clubs. A stub category is as good as it helps its contributors to keep track of things, and not having a standarized hierarchy that doesn't fit the particular needs of that group. Mariano(t/c) 07:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    By a rough count, about 1/3 of this category would need to be restubbed elsewhere after the rescope. None of Cat:Argentina stubs, Cat:South American football club stubs, Cat:Sports team stubs, or Cat:Stadium stubs are overlarge. While the last one Cat:Stadium stubs definitely needs a Cat:South American stadium stubs to be created and possibly some additional country level ones (including an Cat:Argentina stadium stubs if there are 60 such stubs, there is nothing here to indicate why Argentine sports should be an exception to the usual stub heirarchy. One could argue in favor of extending the idea of a country specific all-sports stub to all countries, not that I am in favor of that, but an exception just for Argentina makes no sense. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and restub its contents appropriately. All of the contents of this category can fit elsewhere without breaking the hierarchy, and anything that would be left wouldn't be enough to justify keeping the category around. --fuzzy510 23:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{
farming-stub}}, {{farms-stub
}} (redirects)

All four are redirects to {{

farm-stub
}} has 9 uses, but 2 of those are for specific farms and thus I feel it might lead to confusion over its purpose. (I have added the approprite geo stubs, both for England oddly enough.)

Keep {{ag-stub}} as with a lowercase "g", "ag" is unambiguous and certainly far less cryptic than "BiH"!
Weak Keep {{
farm-stub
}} as while I have some concern that people might use it intending that it be a subtype of geo-stub, it is a minor one and the abbreviation seems to attract a reasonable amount of interest.
Weak Delete {{
farming-stub
}} It hasn't seen much use, but it is a reasonable and unambiguous alternative name, so if anyone thinks it should be kept, I won't complain.
Delete {{farms-stub}} besides being unused, we frown on using plural nouns in stub template names unless there is a good reason, and I can't think of one here. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete {{farms-stub}} and {{ag-stub}}. farm-stub is probably ok. not sure about farming-stub - it would be ok if it was used but its not. farms is plural so should go. "ag-stub" could mean silver stubs so it should probably go too. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Silver stubs? Are you serious? What could a silver stub even be about, let alone why we would start using chemical symbols as part of stub names? I realize that it's common only in some dialects of English, but using ag as a shortcut for agriculture is part of mine and doesn't take a couple seconds for me to realize what it is like agri does. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ag can also refer to Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Aargau, Agrigento, artificial gravity, antigens, attorney generals, etc. Probably best to get rid of it. - Nomadic1 23:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • After some thought, keep all of them. I cannot think of any good reason to delete any of them, except ag-stub. I supported keeping "ag" then, and I still support now, but at least I understand why you might want to delete it (it's kinda ambiguous). Given that farming is almost a perfect synonym for "agriculture", there's no reason in the world not to keep it as a redirect. The others? I guess they're perhaps misleading (farms themselves ARE slightly different than agriculture) but I think they ought to remain anyway. That's just my take.
    Talk?) 06:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete the lot. They are all useless, farming-stub the less so - Nomadic1 11:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete ag- (ambiguity, and as a recreation of earlier deletion) and farms- (naming guidelines). Keep other two. Alai 16:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 17th

Category:Indian ethnicity stubs to Category:Ethnic group in India stubs

Proposal moved from CfD Road Wizard 06:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Indian ethnicity" is ambiguous, and could refer to ethnic groups in India, or to groups descending from those originally from India but now present in other countries. Proposal is to rename this category along the lines of Category:Ethnic groups in India and Category:Ethnic group in Africa stubs. Kurieeto 14:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 22nd

Military by country stubs

The following

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#State-based topics, all military by country categories should be named "of country". These current category names are inconsistent with their parents, such as Category:Canadian military stubs within Category:Military of Canada
, and are therefore proposed for renaming.

--Kurieeto 21:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These are far from the only stub categories where the parent follows the X of N convention and the stubs follow a Nian X convention, which has been the usual convention for the stub categories. I don't particularly care which standard is followed, as long as a standard is followed. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, in many cases just adding " stubs" to the name of the perm-parent would be awkward-sounding (and for the "American" categories, following them off the edge of a naming convention cliff). Consistency within the stubs is preferable to between stubs and perms, if it's a choice between one or the other. Alai 22:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have to agree as well. The names will be too ackward, so let's stick to the current names. Valentinian (talk) 20:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding naming conventions for by country stub categories, should
Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines#Categories for further detail, or the other way around? Which page defers to which? Also, does anyone have a quick link to discussions where it was decided that "-related stubs" did not belong in category titles? Thanks, Kurieeto 13:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply
]
Good question. I'd suggest the former, for much the same reason as above: the stub categories are really their own "system", being in effect part of an implementation mechanism for a maintenance function, rather than part of the "categories as part of the content". While a degree of consistency is no harm, given that the stub cats are populated from templates, it's not key that the names are memorable as such. On -related stubs... My recollection is that that process rumbled on for months, around about a year ago, but boy is it hard to trace back to the original discussion. In theory it should be somewhere in the archives of
WP:WSS/P, unless it just predates that being split from the unified "criteria" page. Alai 16:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply
]
I believe it should be the latter, with all the category naming instructions centralized in one place. Mainly because categories are all part of the same
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines, which is a more appropriate place. Kurieeto 14:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply
]

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Cat:Jordan stubs & Cat:Jordan geography stubs

The categories and the associated templates were created earlier today, then their creator noticed our bureaucracy and blanked out the templates and posted on the proposals page. I've taken the templates ({{Jordan-stub}} & {{Jordan-geo-stub}}) and resurrected thenm and set them to feed into Cat:Middle East stubs and Cat:Middle East geography stubs respectively for. I recommend that we keep the templates and if by the end of the week, if either has 60 stubs, redirect them back into the country specific stub categories. If not, keep the template, and delete the country specific stub category until we have the usual 60. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Jordan stubs" kept. "Jordan geography stubs" upmerged to "Middle East geography stubs" and deleted. --TheParanoidOne 14:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Yemeni people stubs

Kept. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 15:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 27th

{{Fm-stub}} / Cat:Freemasonry stubs

Closing note: Fm-stub deleted; stub type kept. Mairi 04:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)' never proposed, just been made. has two stubs and a nasty template name. delete unless it gets to threshhold - if it does rename the template to freemasonry-stub. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note this is now at the proposal page (better late than never...) So hold off on it for now - it will definitely need renaming if kept, though. Grutness...wha? 01:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, perfectly valid. Ardenn 20:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please only debate this template in one location. Let's continue at the proposal page. Valentinian (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There have been no objections over the creation of the stub so long as it is renamed, so I have done so and removed the stub type for deletion template from the stub itself. I hope this isn't overstepping my bounds.
Lawyer 00:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply
]
Which I've latter reverted, as neither process has run 7 days. I'd be happy with this if there's indeed 30 stubs primarily notable in connection with Freemasonry, without a bio-stub fishing exercise, which seems less than clear at this point. Alai 01:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like the creator has already moved it to {{Freemasonry-stub}}, and changed the old name to a redirect. Delete {{Fm-stub}}. Not sure about the worth of the other one, but at least it's big enough. Valentinian (talk) 21:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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