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• Template:Bhad Bhabie (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only one article for a song exists; the rest cannot be navigated to as they have no articles. Ss112 21:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Magnolia677 (talk) 10:26, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2013 Victory League table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, duplicates table in 2013 Football Federation Tasmania season#2013 NPL Tasmania Frietjes (talk) 21:25, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Pies Descalzos track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, track listing templates have been generally deprecated in favour of using the chronology links in the infobox, and the list of singles/songs in the navbox. Frietjes (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete redundant navigation to {{Shakira songs}}. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Pharmacology journals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, the standard way of navigating between journals in a particular category is to use the parent category. Frietjes (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Phases of matter (classical elements) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, duplicates navigation found in Template:Classic element Frietjes (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Niki & The Dove (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Articles include one album and single (from the same album) so navigation isn't improved by this navbox. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Not enough links to provide useful navigation. --woodensuperman 11:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Periods of pre-Mongol Mongolia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, duplicates navigation found in Template:History of Mongolia Frietjes (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Participate in TWMC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, TWMC was Nov 15, 2011 - Feb 29, 2012 so not likely that this will be used in the future Frietjes (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Paraguay NFT results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, and almost entirely redlinks Frietjes (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Panama Squad 2012 FIFA Futsal World Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, squad membership is preserved in 2012 FIFA Futsal World Cup squads#.C2.A0Panama Frietjes (talk) 19:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Kante4 (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Palau presidential election, 2004 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, duplicates

• Delete Unnecessary. Number 57 12:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Zimbabwe Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Bangladesh Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Zimbabwe and Bangladesh didn't make it out of the qualifying round and the members of all the squads are already stored in 2006 ICC Champions Trophy squads Frietjes (talk) 13:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as template is used for nav purposes. It is not football kind of qualifying round. So, what is wrong? Störm (talk) 13:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • it's been well-established here at TfD that we don't keep roster navigational boxes for non-medal-winning squads. Frietjes (talk) 13:48, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Now the template has been inserted in all the articles related to Zimbabwean cricketers who have played in the 2006 ICC Champions Trophy. Abishe (talk) 15:35, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:England Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:India Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Pakistan Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Sri Lanka Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

England, India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka didn't make it past the group stage and the members of all the squads are already stored in 2006 ICC Champions Trophy squads. Frietjes (talk) 13:48, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per my previous comment. We generally have such templates and same is true for other sports where participating teams have templates of their squads. This is different from Olympics medal winning team. Störm (talk) 18:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • it's been well-established here at TfD that we don't keep roster navigational boxes for non-medal-winning or non-championship-winning squads. Frietjes (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as the templates generally used in articles related to cricket are acceptable and templates cannot be compared with separate article for squads as you mentioned 2006 ICC Champions Trophy squads without needing templates. Abishe (talk) 15:45, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Nicolae Ceaușescu (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

not a proper navigational aid, most of this is only tangentially related at best Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:46, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep (?), seems a fine template. I came here for another template and find things like this up for deletion. 'Not a proper nav aid', 'tangentially related', no, it is a perfectly fine template. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Mostly tangentially related entries. Titles that he held, or floods and earthquakes, etc, that happened to occur during his Presidency are not directly related to him. --woodensuperman 15:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• weak keep, the four family member links + the parent article is enough for a navbox, even with out the other links. Frietjes (talk) 21:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary fork of {{

• From what I can see, one uses wikidata, the other does not. Given that wikidata is likely going to be restricted even further from use on ENWP, this nomination should be reversed. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• The RFC on Infobox_World_Heritage_Site has been closed with a result revert back to the non-Wikidata version.[1] There is a proposed bot-request[2] that would juggle existing articles to temporarily use a new wikidata-only template so that Infobox_World_Heritage_Site can be converted to non-wikidata. However I'd like to ping
  Fram as probably the experts on these templates. Would it make sense to simply convert existing articles to this template, rather than juggling and converting Infobox_World_Heritage_Site? I haven't studied the templates enough to have an opinion yet on whether this makes sense or would be desirable. Alsee (talk) 00:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Converting them all to
    Fram (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • The RfC hasn't been closed yet (well, it was, but by the same person that's closed it twice already and been reverted, and has been reverted again - it needs a more neutral closer). What happens here depends on that, I think. My nominal plan was to separate out the existing template to {{
    Infobox World Heritage Site}}. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • The RfC has now closed. Discussion is ongoing at Template_talk:Infobox_World_Heritage_Site#Implementation_of_RfC, including discussion about this template. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:46, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Unnecessary fork? It is a better version which avoids the many problems the other template has. Nominating this for deletion during the RfC at
  Fram (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • The POINTy action was the creation of the nominated template. Get the beam out of your own eye. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, improving articles (and on every page this is used on, it has been an improvement over the wikidata version) is such a POINTy action, perhaps you should report me to the wiki-authorities for my actions.
      Fram (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
      ]
  • Infobox World Heritage Site}} still needs to be sorted out, however once that is completed there is no point in having two non-wikidata templates. Merging (in either direction) seems appropriate. Do you have any objection? Alsee (talk) 23:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • No, of course at the end we only need one template, however until then (and certainly during the RfC, which Pigsonthewing just happened to oppose, this template was necessary, if only to show the difference with the wikidata one, and to prepare for the transition to a local template again. Basically, the intention is that this version, up for deletion, instead becomes the default.
      Fram (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • Well given this appears to be identical except for the lack of wikidata, what is preventing from deleting the other and renaming this to match the articles already using it? Undefined parameters being called? Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • Parameters in the old one no longer used in the new one; parameters used in the new one not existing in the old one; and a number of instances where the old one is used without parameters (fetching all info from Wikidata) which will not work as is with the new one of course. Yes, it's quite a mess.
          Fram (talk) 14:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
          ]
• Temporary KEEP until we can MERGE all World_Heritage infoboxes to {{
  Infobox World Heritage Site}}. Alsee (talk) 23:05, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Merge to {{
  Infobox World Heritage Site/wikidata}}, as per [3]. This new template was a POINT-y fork from the main template to have a non-wikidata version, and if the wikidata version is split off then it doesn't make sense to have two non-wikidata versions. Note that discussion is ongoing at Template_talk:Infobox_World_Heritage_Site#Implementation_of_RfC, and this discussion really should have been kept in one place rather than there, here, and Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_November_4#Template:Infobox_World_Heritage_Site.2FWikidata... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • A pointy fork as in "show that the local version has all the possibilities the Wikidata version has, and none of the problems"? I agree, that was exactly my point. The Wikidata code should be deleted, per the RfC outcome. While I agree that it doesn't make sense to have two non-wikidata versions, at the time I created this one there was no non-wikidata version, so this wasn't so senseless then.
    Fram (talk) 08:09, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • So, leaving aside the Wikidata angle, why do you want to have this separate from {{
      Infobox World Heritage Site}} exactly? Mike Peel (talk) 22:14, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • As Fram said above, at the end we only need one template. The reason it is currently separate is because that was the only way to work on it until the wikidata gets cleared out. Alsee (talk) 14:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]