Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)/Archive 12

A Wikipedia editor in a long-term, real-world dispute with a university professor:

The editor is a transwoman, activist, and highly experienced editor who edits on Wikipedia in many areas, with special attention to advocating the transactivist POV in articles that relate to this dispute, resulting in frequent on-Wiki disputes.

The professor is a sexologist who studies sexual orientation and femininity among natal males. As far as we know, he does not edit Wikipedia (certainly no evidence of it in articles about himself or his specialty).

Today's problem: The professor self-identifies as heterosexual. The activist insists that the professor is bisexual. See the editor's disparagement of "The self-assertion that Bailey is a "single heterosexual man"" here.

Even if this were True™, it seems to me that outing someone is inappropriate for Wikipedia -- for anywhere, really. What's the most useful response to a remark like this? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

reliable source which "proves" the professor's orientation, it cannot be incorporated into a Wikipedia article. Corvus cornix_talk

20:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

If the information is available to the public from reliable sources, then the consensus seems to be that it is okay to display such information on wikipedia. Unsubstantiated slander should be expunged.—RJH (talk) 21:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ordinarily, this kind of information about a college professor would not be included, referring to the

WP:BLP. This is a more complicated case than that, clearly, but there would still need to be reliable secondary sources to make this assertion in the article. Darkspots (talk

) 09:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't aware of the policy.—RJH (talk) 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

A section on Epilepsy makes very interesting reference to the Herpes simplex virus being associated with temporal lobe epilepsy, yet has no supporting reference! How does one get to find or contact the author of this section to substantiate and discover more about this? Here is a clip-quote of this section: "there is an association with febrile seizures in childhood, and some studies have shown herpes simplex virus (HSV) DNA in these regions, suggesting perhaps infectious etiology." Chich (talk) 10:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You would check the history of the article. Then go through the edit to see who put it in. Going back far enough, you might notice it isn't there. Then go forward and repeat until you've hit the edit that included that sentence. Synergy 09:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The tool, WikiBlame can be used to easily find who added a particular piece of text.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I did go through pages of history and have only found a none-medical contributor, making unqualified association of this subject in adults with temporal lobe epilepsy (which has now curiously disappeared). I also tried "The tool, WikiBlame", yet couldn't get this to produce any results, even with a single search word "herpes". Does anyone know about this subject and can suggest a lead to medical research in this area? Chich (talk) 10:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The information you mention in the article was added in this edit, on November 4, 2005, by someone who hasn't posted to Wikipedia since July 2006, and has no email on file. So that seems a dead end. If you haven't had any luck with

the reference desk. -- John Broughton (♫♫)

17:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Since the __INDEX__ and __NOINDEX__ tags are live now, would someone be willing to do an AWB run to __NOINDEX__ all the current and old DRV logs (today and backwards)? I've set it up so all logs created from here on out will be. Thanks, and let me know if there are any problems. Cheers! lifebaka++ 14:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Mass no-indexing of pages like this should probably still be done in the old way, with a bugzilla: request to change the site's robots.txt. Mr.Z-man 20:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Mr.Z-man. Also, please, please, please use {{NOINDEX}} when tagging pages for tracking purposes. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Could some other editors or admins please help out on this article. User with

Best to post to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

I've wanted to download the Wikipedia data to some local HDD and surf it on my apartment (I got no internet there) on an offline mode. I was refered to the next link: http://static.wikipedia.org/downloads/2008-06/en/wikipedia-en-html.tar.7z but IE says theres a problem in the supplied HTTP header. I've managed to download the hebrew wiki though. Any guesses? Thanks in advance, Ronen

You might want to look at

the section of the editor's index pertaining to downloads; you may find other options there, or an explanation of your problem. Or a page where there is a related talk page where you can post your question and are more likely to get a response. -- John Broughton (♫♫)

17:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

How do I do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariangel666 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

moving the page. Another editor has already moved it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk

) 23:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

From what you posted on Talk:Kim Harrison, it sounds like you are convinced they are the same person, and can find no evidence to the contrary. If Dawn Cook is claiming she is a different person from Harrison, and has been trying to quash the rumour, she can't be trying very hard!

Have you tried contacting Kim Harrison via her website, and see what she says about it?

Even though Cook has a link to her Yahoo fan group on her website, it can't be proven that the person who posted there is really Cook. (You may believe it's true, but from Wikipedia's perspective, we can't prove it.) I think it's appropriate to link the two authors on Wikipedia, with citations. You have stated that you want to merge the Cook article into Harrison's. I think this is appropriate. The Cook article is very short (it should really be marked as a stub) and can be easily recreated in future if the situation changes. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 07:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You're constrained by what you can find from

WP:V for the difference between "truth" and "what is verifiable". -- John Broughton (♫♫)

22:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Finding good verifiable sources that say that they are the same person is easy. ;) I listed a few already. So far, no matter how hard I've looked, I have yet to find any source that says that they are not the same person. Banaticus (talk) 07:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

John, the way I read Banaticus' post, he already has numerous sources verifying that Cook and Harrison are the same person, and is asking if he should consider a person claiming to be Cook stating that they are not, when that source does not appear to be verifiable. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 07:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, misunderstood. Here's the problem: none of the sources cited truly is what we consider a

reliable source

; rather, it looks like somewhere in a database, the two names have been connected, and people are using that information as the basis for mentioning the two people are the same. (My quick take, given the dates of the books published and other information - same person; but that's personal opinion). And, in contrast, when I did a Google news archive search, all three results imply that the two are different people. Here's a "money quote" from the only one of the three that is available for free: [Kim Harrison] got her break for her first book, "Dead Witch Walking" when she moved to York County and met novelist Dawn Cook, who introduced her to an agent. (Charlotte Observer, March 20, 2005, "Bewitched books", article by Nichole Monroe Bell).

So, some advice: Copy this discussion to the talk pages of the two articles; copy the above quoted text (and its source) to the

reliable source that says that the two are in fact the same person. -- John Broughton (♫♫)

16:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a legitimate COI with this first and foremost, however I did not create the article, I just added appropriate linking. I am however interested in it's survival. I believe that I met WP:V, WP:CORP; WP:RS were met when I added the appropriate linking/referencing to the article. I am interested in working with someone to create a stable page for my company. (I do not want to write the article as it is a COI, I just want to help make sure that it is notable and meets all Wiki Guidelines. Here are the references that I provided to the article that I believe met the guidelines for use: http://www.bccresearch.com/about.php ; http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_March_9/ai_n27188863 ; and http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=46515642 . If this does not meet Notability standards please let me know. Thanks Stuartfost (talk) 13:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stuartfost/BCC_Research2 Link to article on my talk page. Thanks Stuartfost (talk) 00:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

None of the links you provided is to a newspaper article or similar that indicates that this company is getting any coverage whatsoever by the mainstream media. See

WP:YFA first, though.) And please note that Wiki and Wikipedia are not synonyms. -- John Broughton

[[User

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stuartfost/BCC_Research2 I took your advice to heart and greatly improved WP: RS. Thought you might want to take a look. Thanks Stuartfost (talk) 19:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I have recently edited meta:Template:Image translators by replacing the PNG image it uses with an SVG. However, after my edit, meta:Template:Translator eng-rus, which includes meta:Template:Image translators, did not change (i.e. the image contained in the template was somehow still the PNG). Any advice? It Is Me Here (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Pages transcluding a template can take some time to update when the template has changed. You can

purge to force an update. PrimeHunter (talk

) 20:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right, thanks! It Is Me Here (talk) 06:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

is it possible to set up an if function for a wikibreak to automatically turn it on in my holidays

I checked the two blockers listed at

WP:EIW#Break; neither seems to have functionality to set a future date/time as a starting time (that's what I think you want). So - if I'm reading this correctly - you'd have to manually set in each holiday. -- John Broughton (♫♫)

16:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Though you could probably ask someone at

WP:US to modify Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer to allow for start times. Mr.Z-man

16:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

There exists a tool which helps you edit/fix HTTP404 errors in references. I've forgotten its name. Any ideas? --Matthiasb (talk) 11:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you perhaps referring to

User:Dispenser/Link checker? Zain Ebrahim (talk

) 12:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep. That it was. Thanks. --Matthiasb (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

please fina attached my specification you could send a mail to (redacted) or call (redacted)

specification

it would be mounted on a mercedes benz sprinter 311 3.5 tonne chasis cabwork height 16.80 metresmaximum basket floor height 14.90 metresmaximum outreach 10.30 metresturret rotations 700(360 degree non continous)maximum basket capacity 200kgsbasket dimensions 1,400* 700*1100mmcontrols hydraulictravelling lenght 6,250mmtravelling height 6,250mmmaximum G.V.W 3.5 tonnesdaul controls four hydraulic stabilizersfull safety featuresstraight telescopic boom action —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.254.171 (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

You're going to want to try a site such as Google, as we would not have that sort of information here. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 15:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a spreadsheet we're using for the Statistical Analysis component of the

I have never used it, but there is this tool. Adrian M. H. 16:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

That'll do it - thanks! UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 16:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

How about "Bull idolisation"? 79.184.43.171 (talk) 17:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

That sounds slightly Christian. Apotetios (talk) 22:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there a "travelogue" tag that one can use for articles like Ferencváros? I found it while doing "extention" -> "extension" spelling fixing, and it looks awfully wrong, but I don't have the time or inclination to SOFIXIT. --Slashme (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to break up a larger table at

I want separate tables for each decade, each in its own section. I managed to get the table to break up properly, but the section titles I inserted between them are all displaying at the top of the page, and the table still runs straight down right after all the section headers. Would somebody be able to show me where my mistake is? MSJapan (talk) 22:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Figured it out. It was a consistent formatting error. MSJapan (talk) 03:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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This is a message to the administrators of wikipedia in English or for someone who can help me with this issue:

I´m an user and contributor of the Basque Wikipedia.,

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. --Euskalduna (tell me) 15:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC) (UTC)