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Nothing to see here

The arbitration committee have suppressed a recent statement regarding UK press contact and former arbitrator David Gerard. The hidden revisions were related to the removal of David Gerard's access to the Checkuser and Oversight tools, after he was accused of posting private content obtained using Checkuser to his public blog. Gerard's talk page has also seen some revisions oversighted. The suppressions provoked a strong reaction from Wikipedians.

A discussion was initiated at the Audit Subcommittee by MZMcBride on December 2 at 00:22 UTC. MzMcBride was unable to "imagine the levels of stupidity required to think this was a good idea to try to un-ring such a loud bell". Dragons flight speculated: "The announcement they suppressed contained an HTML link to an off-wiki page containing an email apparently published without its sender's permission and the IP details of the specific identified sender. It was the off-wiki posting of that information which motivated stripping David Gerard of his rights."

Gerard wrote on his talk page at 10:20 UTC that "anyone participating in that thread at the arbitration committee's noticeboard has way more interest in drama than writing an encyclopedia. I've started adding bits of video, it's fun!" Attempting to draw the heat from the discussion, serving arbitrator Coren, writing in a personal capacity at 15:57 UTC, stated:

The suppression was formally announced on the committee's

Wikimedia's general counsel Mike Godwin sent several emails to the ArbCom mailing list, expressing concern with the committee's decision on legal grounds: "My strong suggestion is that ArbCom reconsider its decisions, which seem more like arbitrariness than arbitration." Explaining his involvement, Godwin noted he "came across a process that seemed to me to have gone off the rails, at least in some respects, and at nobody's request but my own, I spoke out about it, and ultimately was asked to try to mediate a resolution, which I then did. The goal was not to erase history (I'm not as stupid as I look), but simply to remove Arbcom's seal of approval on some problematic statements while at the same time preserving Arbcom's prerogatives and authority". However, some users took issue with his possible interference with the committee; Barberio felt that "This holding up hands and saying 'Hey, I was just sending emails, it was nothing official.' doesn't wash since there was no way for the ArbCom to determine that you were not giving them official direction."

The controversial blog post remains fully available on Gerard's personal website; he believes "ArbCom's original issue appears to have been my tweet as quoted within the blog post." However, posting of a link to Gerard's post by

Gerard has resigned his Checkuser and Oversight permissions. He issued a statement on the afternoon of 3 December, reading simply: "I love everyone. I suggest you all go write something. Assume better faith too. Be excellent to one another."

See also: In the news

Policy Report

This month and next, the Policy Report will cover Wikipedia's

The Civility page is another story. Three-quarters of the respondents in August's Civility Poll felt that the policy was "unenforceable", and three-quarters also believed the policy to be "too lenient" (and the relevant language has changed very little since then). To gauge whether those sentiments have changed, recent contributors to the Civility talk page were asked about their reactions to our current policy, and their responses are revealing.

NuclearWarfare pointed to the August poll as evidence that a small minority of editors completely ignore our civility policy while continuing to make useful contributions, and there is no easy fix for this problem. Tryptofish feels that the good editors are usually not very good at dealing with the bullies, and that we need to expect more professionalism from every contributor as Wikipedia matures. Proofreader77 points to a potential reason the Civility policy has been slow to change: objections might be regarded as uncivil. Johnuniq draws a distinction between our Civility policy, which might be confusing and unexpected for people used to the anything-goes culture prevalent on the internet, and our Harassment and No personal attacks policies, which probably don't come as a surprise. Camelbinky, on the other hand, deplores the "politeness police" who fail to recognize the benefits of the kinds of free speech guaranteed by most modern industrialized nations.

After we cover all the conduct policy pages in the coming weeks, perhaps techniques used to enlighten and resolve conflict on those talk pages, which have been surprisingly successful, can be applied when we take another look at Civility in late January. Next week's Policy Report will include discussions from the Username policy talk page.

Deletion round-up

After the deletion of

• Tiger Woods is creating drama on Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaimee Grubbs and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rachel Uchitel
• Unusually, a disambiguation page is being considered for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Downtown Norwich
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  Fix it again Tony, File:Sailor Mercury.jpg and Template:Lists of Russians
  are proving contentious in their respective deletion debates
• The too long, didn't read award this week goes to the deletion debate regarding Mohammad Shamsul Alam

Briefly

• Discussion over the use of the endash in article titles at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Use of endash in article titles
• Discussion regarding when to relist deletion debates at the
  village pump

Requests for comment

Twenty-three Requests for comment have been made in the week of 30 November to 06 December:

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Re: "Nothing to see here" doesn't mention that one of the much-discussed questions concerning the episode was whether or not David Gerard had requested Foundation intervention with the ArbCom over the matter. Cla68 (talk) 00:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• We came to the story late in the publication process and it was hard to nail that area down. I almost inserted the question from John Vandenberg, but the story was already growing so large and there were already issues with the linking to the blog that were eating into time that could have been spent writing it. If you note, I only realised John resigned over the issue at the 11th hour. Other editors are free to write this stuff up as well or make suggestions at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions. Hiding T 15:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What fresh madness is this? It's a copyright violation to link to the original version of copyrighted material? Like, it's a copyright violation to link to a New York Times story because the story is copyrighted? This sort of insanity needs to be quashed before it becomes impossible to contribute here. --JayHenry (talk) 03:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the issue was about linking to sites that reproduce copyrighted material without permission (the email that David Gerard posted). So links to pages that simply reproduce New York Times articles without permission are disallowed, not links to the original stories.--ragesoss (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, ah yes, I see, so I can write you an email and call you all sorts of names, and if you share the email you'd be violating my copyright? I misunderstood the circumstances but sadly the question of whether this is insanity or idiocy remains. --JayHenry (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]