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There are certain clashes that worth noting: Woodlands New Town is within the Sembawang GRC, Woodlands region. Same for the other neighbourhood estates article. Slivester 04:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I had revised a template for photography, and I am sure there are various sections that require amendments. See Template:Photograph info Slivester 10:50, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you're interested in working on how Chinese surnames should be presented on Wikipedia, please comment at Talk:Chinese surname#Chinese surnames on Wikipedia. Thanks. — Instantnood 13:51, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Someone should take a look at the above

I'll redo the entry =p -- Melsith 17:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I know this sounds a bit controversial. But I think it's a good idea, considering how similar the two really are.

You can see my original suggestion here: Talk:British and Malaysian English differences#Merge. All comments are welcome! -- ran (talk) 04:56, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Personally I'd rather have the two entries apart =p -- Melsith 17:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

It wouldn't be controversial, however, most Malaysians would not find it offensive to have it removed, after all, not quite a topic to be proud of (a point of view from my grandmother, who spoke fluent English, a Malaysian). However, it is something that they, the Malaysians, considered what they had, not a posession of us. I do not think that it would be wise to do such a move. Slivester 18:14, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It sounds rather...weird, because what, we suddenly owe the distinctions and influences of our culture to Malaysia just because they are bigger? Come on! Why do people insist that Singaporean cuisine is the same as Malaysian cuisine, and should be called as such, etc. etc, just because Malaysia is bigger? --

Alright alright, I admit it was not that great of an idea. ... :/ However, the Manglish article as of now is very short, and much of the phonology + grammar sections of Singlish can be copied straight over. -- ran (talk) 13:13, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

To be frank, whats so different between Singlish and Manglish, I always uphold the idea that they got it from us. Slivester 05:18, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Can someone help me do a lot of this repetitive work? I've done a template alrady, which you can paste in every MRT station article (ie.

To be honest, that template makes the page look a tad messy because it is so long. How about looking at the ones for the Sydney lines, or the London ones for comparison, and we might adopt one of them? I especially like the vertical station list for the Sydney system.--Huaiwei 13:34, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll try taking a look at the other ones. In my opinion, it only looks messy because of the alignment, which can be corrected. It does give a sense of cohesion, if not being rather especially useful for the stubs. --

Natalinasmpf

19:04, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Refer to

Sydney underground railways, for example, although it is a listing of lines. We can adapt it to show a list of stations instead. Alaso, look at the one used for the London Underground in Acton Town tube station, for example. Maybe we can combine the two for our pages? :D--Huaiwei

19:29, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I would suggest removing the Singaporean railway stations, since by definition, i think the MRT is a metro, not really a railway. Sandstorm6299 14:05, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was forced to take a Semi-WikiVacation due to real life committments, but now I'm back I realized that there is a lot of things that is left undone and urgently needs to be cleared up. I'm rather upset by a few first-hand experience that involve Singapore-related Wikipedia articles as well.

1. Public Transportation Map of Singapore - This map has been repeatedly put on WP:CP, even thought it should be under Fair Use dealing. What I've heard so far is that there's no Fair Use in Singapore and LTA has properitary rights over the map. However, I did a check on the Internet and Singapore's copyright office (Intellectual Property Office of Singapore) does have a "Fair Dealing" clause. [1]. Unless ressolved once and for all, WP:CP will always come back to haunt this map.
2. Anglo-Chinese School - May have over-emphasised on its achievements. Previously talkpage had comments that the article looked more like an ad. One of my friends actually questioned the validity of this encyclopedia althogether, especially when he felt that the criticisms of the school being elitist/snobbish is somewhat downplayed. I would be interested to hear on what you think on this one.
3. Singapore gay movement - Needs a proper cleanup, or listed on VFD. Sometimes we just fail to know how many actual visitors look at our articles for research and information, as well as trusting that these articles are neutral and reliable. It was listed as an problem article some time ago for its advocate nature, and surprisingly some joker in my JC actually used this information to his research paper on prejudices and discrimmination.
4. Nanyang Girls' High School - Listed for POV Check months ago for some alleged prejudices of its students, annoyed NYGH alum-mata has removed the offending section and now it's a very poor stub. Needs to be reworked on. See Talk:Nanyang Girls' High School

• Update: The article is being slowly reworked. Contributions are welcome!

1. NPNT - Going, going, gone on VFD. If it doesn't qualify as a full-fledged article, then at least it should qualify to be on Wiktionary.

If you have time to spare, please do have a look and make changes/take action nessecery to ressolve te above problems, as well as giving your comments.

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Anglo Chinese School

Personally, I'd chuck the recent achievements altogether. If you look back on the article history, when I first revamped the article last year, I threw out most of the self-aggrandizing and kept to what I felt were the essentials. This was my baseline after all my major edits were done, and then the pigpile of Band, Debate, etc. started.

The snobbishness angle I feel is adequate and NPOV enough if the achievements bit weren't so overblown. For the sake of disclosure, I am an ACS Old Boy (1977-1988), but from the pre-Independent School era, so I grew up with the entire snobbishness dispute and honestly, it wasn't that big a deal even back then. However, a slash and burn would seem to drastic, so if anyone has any suggestions as to how to cut it down, please do so. --

School tales and image are precisely just that, and not everyone agrees with them. We have the Nanyang article getting stripped down because alumnus disagrees with the over empahsis on reputations, and in the ACS page, we have people questioning its validity because it didnt talk enough on that! Wikipedia is an encyclopedia...not

Friday Weekly or the The New Paper. While it can of coz discuss on school reputations and discriminations, it cannot over-present them just because the image is over-blown amongst some quaters of Singaporean society. So we all know there is a reputation of ACS boys being arrogant. What else can be said about this which are encyclopedic?--Huaiwei

19:23, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Suggest a section on famous alumni, and Khaosworks can be the first name there. Other schools' pages can do the same thing also . Vsion 02:33, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Famous alumni is a good idea - some university pages do have them already. But I'm not going to be on any of them. --

khaosworks

02:54, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

I've posted a bit of a rant on the ACS Talk page. I regret having to have written those remarks, but I don't regret what I wrote. Those articles need a lot of help. --

Singapore gay movement

Your JC friend is no joker. I can vouch for the veracity of every single sentence in this article. It was originally written by the father of the Singapore gay movement himself, Alex Au and everyone in PLU knows the events that unfolded. Attempting to discredit or remove this article would be a great disservice to the documentation of evolving Singaporean history.165.21.154.15 18:37, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

You have not justified your grounds for wanting to delete the article. I have edited the article to remove most of the contentious words. What more do you want? If you feel that it needs a complete revision, why don't you attempt to do it yourself without altering any of the factual events which took place? This is such an important resource for students researching discrimination in Singapore that to even contemplate removing it would be a gross travesty of impartial reportage.Groyn88 18:48, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

• Mailer Diablo
  19:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

NPNT

If you trace the VFD trail, you'll eventually find that it was me who sent it to the gallows. ASGM and NMNHNLM were also done in by me. The revised reasons for deletion vary slightly for each, but all were non-notable at the very least. This is Wikipedia, not the Coxford Singlish Dictionary created by TalkingCock. Still, if they qualify under another section of the Wikiproject, by all means go ahead. CABAL 10:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

What do you people think of collaborating on a project on that, or do you think they can survive as two seperate pages?--Huaiwei 18:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Collaborating will be good, I like to read Malaysia articles myself (and Dr M's page is better than Lky's!) I’m too new to comment on the 2nd question. Another related thing: I was tracking the UK election and it was a lot of work. Don’t know when is Singapore's election coming. That could be good for publicity, but we need more users support, and hell will break loose. ;p -- Vsion 02:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Collobarion of this sort will be no diff from that between the UK and Ireland, and of HK and Macau, from what we can see in the existing regional current event stuff. Afterall, quite a number of our biggest contributors happen to span the causeway anyway, so I would think this is a natural progression. :D Elections...much talk about it, but only the presidential one has to be held this year. the GE is at most 2 years away, but no one will know...yet :D--Huaiwei 15:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi,

Just came across the History pages of the notice board and I realized Huaiwei reverted my delete. Just to clarify:

• I removed the discussion on Category:Republic of Singapore Navy naval bases under "Singapore related candidates for deletion" as it was a resolved issue (or so I thought, a consensus has been reached [2]).

• In any case, I assumed that the section contained ongoing debates, since the section lead clearly says:

This is a list of current deletion debates...

I do apologize if I offended Huaiwei. I didn't know that "[i]t is meant to be a reference point for all cases, resolved or otherwise." (quoted from History pages, edit summary by Huaiwei on 6 May 2005, 19:53 (UTC))

-Travisyoung 03:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

No lah I am not offended. I suppose I didnt make the page's usage clear in the first place, so I should share the blame, but anyhow, the page's usage shdnt be dictated by me alone also. My intention of that list is so that we know what changes has ever taken place involving sg cats, and if any sg cat should be deleted before, we might wish to collaborate to write articles such that the cat cat be created again. My biggest concern now is to rekindle the

Singapore cuisine category, which was deleted simply coz someone from another city outside SEA fails to understand that cuisine names are kinda shared in this region.--Huaiwei

09:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singaporean places--Huaiwei 20:59, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

REDIRECTED to [3]. (It's getting dry!)

Hi, is there a single page that shows all the templates related to Singapore? I'm thinking of something like what appear in User:Ran. It would be very useful, especially for newcomers, to have a quick overview of the structure of Singapore related articles, and it also consolidates many links which is good for quick accessing. If there isn't one now, can we create it? A user page is not suitable, maybe we can show the templates in Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Singapore, but I'm not quite sure. A side-benefit is that it would encourage more visits to the portal; also I only then need to bookmark the portal in my browser and can access most articles in just two mouse clicks. -- Vsion 20:42, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

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