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I noticed that you used your bot to change a large number of schedule templates of college football teams. I really don't think that's proper. A large part of the templates actually look worse or even can't be displayed. Why would you do that? Can you change them back? 七战功成 10;12, 2 February 2019

@七战功成: I noticed some of your reversions of Primefac's bot edits. These bot edits are part of effort to update these schedule tables to a new set of templates with better functionality. The old templates are being deprecated. In some cases, like 2012 BYU Cougars football team, some pre-existing stray characters seems have thrown a wrench in the works on the conversion. But in the case of 1992 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team, what seems to be the problem there? Jweiss11 (talk) 21:41, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is your issue there the wrapping of fields, particularly the short ones like time and score? I agree that's not ideal, but we should be able to fix that. @Frietjes: can we "no-wrap" some of these fields? Jweiss11 (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11: I didn't notice the message before. I didn't check them quite carefully, so I may reverted some proper edits. I think the edits that should be removed are those make template disappear or make unnecessary color change. 七战功成 07:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there were some (likely unforseen) issue with the conversion process, so for that at least thanks for bringing it up. I think I've fixed the remainder of the issues (usually from someone inserting a stray |-). If there are wrapping issues, though, the template talk would definitely be the place to check, since I actually had nothing to do with the writing of the template conversion code and thus don't know the best way to affect change in that regard. Primefac (talk) 14:32, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What I don't see here is "yeah OK use that Schedule Start template". 七战功成, I don't quite understand your last comment. Drmies (talk) 01:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: What do you mean? I don't understand what you just said. 七战功成 01:24, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence that you started with "I think" is grammatically incomplete. Its meaning is unclear. Likewise your edit summaries, "The template cannot be displayed due to that edit", since my edit removed a template, so of course it cannot be displayed. I urge you to stop until there is some clarity here, since your reinstating that edit still produces a big fat warning sign saying "Template:CFB Schedule Start is deprecated. Please use Template:CFB schedule instead.". Drmies (talk) 01:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: Interesting. This may be your problem. I mean those edits made templates disappear, so I reverted them. Can you understand this time? 七战功成 01:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Yeah, my English is problematic, I know. I hope they're gone by the time I get to class tomorrow. Jweiss11, I saw you made some edits related to this subject matter. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the template conversion process gets fouled up in cases where there are stray characters or in-table subheadings sitting in the old template code. The way to fix this is to undo the conversion, remove the stray characters or subheadings, and re-apply the template conversion. The template conversion can executed as follows: (1) add {{subst:#invoke:CFB schedule/convert|subst| at the top of the table, before the {{CFB Schedule Start}} and }} to the bottom after the {{CFB Schedule End}}. (2) press show preview and compare the output to make sure nothing went wrong. (3) press save. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, everyone, Frietjes has edited the templates such that wikilinked scores no longer cause formatting problems. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, good! For what it's worth, I'm going to give it until the end of the week (so any latent issues can be found) and I'll redirect the old templates to the new. Primefac (talk) 17:09, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac: Can you make some adjustments on this two article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_team, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Emporia_State_Hornets_football_team The templates are clearly incomplete due to your bot's recent edits. And I found the previous version of all schedule templates can't be displayed normally anymore, so I can't simply revert it back to previous version, what happened? 七战功成 18:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that all of the template conversions were fixed by now, so I converted the template into a redirect. If you find any more let me know so that I can fix them. Primefac (talk) 20:49, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac:I didn't notice your edits before. I am not very sure about this. So the previous version of templates can't be displayed normally just because you "convert templates into a redirect"? I think if feasible, we should still let the old version of templates to work, otherwise it's really inconvenient to look over those history version. 七战功成 03:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's fair enough; it seems like there are enough edge cases that still need investigating. Eventually, though, it will be redirected. I suppose two weeks was a little optimistic, but if there aren't any other issues discovered by say the end of Feb I'll put back the redir. Primefac (talk) 11:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac: I just noticed that those old version can be seen normally again. I think keep those older things working is still necessary, otherwise, as I said before, it would make looking up information on those history version much more difficult. And I don't think there will be misunderstanding, the notification right at the top of those older templates is enough eye-catching to make people remember don't use older versions anymore. 七战功成 19:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Old versions are to be deleted/redirected per the outcome of the TfD discussion. --Gonnym (talk) 10:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonnym: Didn't see your posts before. So they have to delete the old versions to complete the change? I don't get it. The new versions work well, you don't have to delete older things. Just don't use it anymore. 七战功成 20:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your TfD close, how will the redirect work? These aren't alias names for the same template; someone using {{CFB Schedule End}} at the end of the table will create another table. I think end should be deleted as it has more potential to do more harm then good. --Gonnym (talk) 12:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the "end" template will likely be deleted (even though it won't create a new table, just the last line of code of a table). Primefac (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that if it were to be a redirect, then it would be a redirect to the new template, which it would then create a table. --Gonnym (talk) 12:16, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yeah, there's nothing to redirect it to, so it would just be deleted. Primefac (talk) 12:16, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, your bot has been reverted on the following pages: 1988 West Virginia Mountaineers football team, 2005 West Virginia Mountaineers football team, 2008 Utah Utes football team, 2009 Utah Utes football team, 2010 Utah Utes football team, 2017 Indiana Hoosiers football team, 2017 Michigan State Spartans football team. --Gonnym (talk) 07:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Primefac (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now 2017 FIU Panthers football team. --Gonnym (talk) 18:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems there are no more issues reported. Can this now follow the TfD result? --Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per the request below, not yet. Primefac (talk) 11:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you take a look at edits like these? It seems like if there were any extra wiki table rows at all, it just blanked the schedule entirely. Ostealthy (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Primefac (talk) 11:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That particular page was fixed, but similar pages with the same problem like here and here have not been fixed. Can your bot do a sweep of pages that were affected? Ostealthy (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can manually go through and find a list of "most-likely affected pages"; when the edits were made most of the proper conversions were in the -1k to -4k range. If I filter out anything <-4000 from the contribs, I should be able to make a shortlist of improper conversions. Should get rid of 99% of the problematic edits. Primefac (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've been reverted at 2014 Idaho Vandals football team and 2016 Bethune–Cookman Wildcats football team. --Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Primefac (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No other issues in the past 2 weeks. Can this finally be completed? As it stands, its not listed in the holding cell so it's basically only you and me that know/remember that the TfD result hasn't been completed yet. --Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm genuinely curious why this is such a big deal to you. I mean, I will, I just want to know. Primefac (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm active in TfD and I've seen the results of discussion results that end up being forgotten and ignored and then needing to re-start another discussion about it (most of the deprecated templates I've nominated are a result of such things). Also, not placing it in the holding cell, "forced" me into this situation of having to remember to check on it every now and again, rather than have it placed there for all to see and remember. While I answered your question, I didn't appreciate it, as it makes it seem like I have a hidden agenda here. --Gonnym (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't think there was a hidden agenda, just haven't met someone as gung-ho as you. It's a good thing, just a little surprising! Primefac (talk) 12:40, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, then sorry for reading into something that wasn't there. As I said, having to go through same discussions again just because some technicality was missed the first time, is the reason why. --Gonnym (talk) 12:42, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Need to discuss

Pls talk to me Adolf bijili (talk) 04:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bcoz this information not to good ,like untouchble ,pig rering stop this typ bldy word mention on pasi wikipida You hav need update information Many people complain this typ article ,u update information or wil i do with avidence Adolf bijili (talk) 10:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adolf bijili, please provide your evidence at Talk:Pasi (caste). Primefac (talk) 13:21, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pasi need update

The pasi are an ethnic tribe found in india. The name pasi is derived form the Sanskrit words pashika meanings one who uses a nose . ^[1] and other theory about word Pasi comprised two Hindi world "pa"meaning grip and "asi" meanings a sword employing there by one who possesses a sword in his hand or in otherwords, a soldier.

[2]

The term pasi clans historically associated with warriors.

^[3] Adolf bijili (talk) 07:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hav photo year 1865, pasi caste by britishers ,how can i uplod , Adolf bijili (talk) 02:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adolf bijili, you should read through the guideline at Wikipedia:Uploading images, which can do a lot more to explain it than I can. Primefac (talk) 13:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Primefac,

Thank you for your work fixing my attempts to move all the synonyms of Dendrobium. My apologies for my blunders. My aim was to move all the articles with synonymous names (especially Dockrillia, Vappodes and Epiblastis) to Dendrobium. I made the changes around 31 January. ([[1]]). Hope that's useful to you. Gderrin (talk) 23:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks again. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into fixing this. Gderrin (talk) 04:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, it's what I do. ​ Two tips for the future: first, if you're doing a pageswap, use User:Andy M. Wang/pageswap. Second, if a whole bunch of pages are being merged into one location, just turn those pages into redirects; I think I see what your intention was with all those page moves, but it wasn't really the best way to go! Feel free to drop by any time if you've got questions or concerns. Primefac (talk) 12:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Primefac! Did you mean to delete this? (TfD) It seemed to me that it should stay, as it is currently in use. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It has no transclusions, nor did it when I closed the TFD. Am I missing something? Primefac (talk) 02:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) lots of articles link to it with {{External Timeline|Template:Timeline of the Mexican Revolution|Timeline of the Mexican Revolution}} --DannyS712 (talk) 02:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Template:Timeline of the history of the Republic of Turkey and Template:Timeline of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk each have 1 incoming link. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:30, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's about the barest definition of "in use" and there are currently a couple of open discussions debating whether templates should be used like this, but since it is technically in use I've restored them. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 12:28, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have closed your RfB as successful. Welcome to the team, and good luck with the new tools. Maxim_(talk) 17:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats and Best Wishes and thanks for answering my questions.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You start tommorow  :) ——SerialNumber54129 17:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks ike you're gonna get the day off after all :( ——SerialNumber54129 14:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations for bureaucratship !! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations. Tomorrow, you may take part in RexxS crat chat. Best chatting Hhkohh (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats and good luck. - ZLEA _T\^C 17:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• i see you already got the crappy t-shirt, someone should start gifting the pants too. Welcome to the corps, btw. It is not going to be as bumpy ride as admin corps —usernamekiran(talk) 18:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Usernamekiran: don't you know we go Full Winnie the Pooh? — xaosflux ^Talk 19:02, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm more a fan of being taps aff ;) Primefac (talk) 19:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I thought admins go winnie the pooh, and crats get the pants. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:19, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Usernamekiran: Which crat are you a sock of? Natureium (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Natureium: Actually its the other way around. More than half of the current crats are my socks —usernamekiran(talk) 20:19, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats! --SQL^{Query me!} 19:18, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adding my voice to the chorus. Many congrats! A well deserved promotion and - as with everything else at the 'pedia - there is no pay raise whatsoever :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:18, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Congrats. Please carry out my todo list. Add crat to Cyberpower678, deflag everyone I don't like. Add the crat flags to my bots, and then push the red button I have stashed away somewhere. Thanks. :D—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 20:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Went searching for the red button, found six of them attached to a shirt. Not sure that's what you meant, so I'll keep looking... Primefac (talk) 01:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks all, it's appreciated! Primefac (talk) 01:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat belated congratulations! Donner60 (talk) 03:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A very late congratulations on your successful RfB, as well as your very well written comment on the current crat chat.--SkyGazer 512 ^{My talk page} 03:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wgolf, do you have the right person? I'm not seeing my name in any of the logs (and it doesn't look like anything was salted). Primefac (talk) 19:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Someone moved the article to the proper name (as only autoconfirmed users could create a article under that name) it appears. Wgolf (talk) 20:16, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Duh. I was looking at the deletion logs for Barsha Raut, not the protection logs. I salted because it got A7'd three times in about as many weeks. From a quick look it could probably stand another deletion... Primefac (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've opened a bureaucrat chat for a current RfA. Your input would be most appreciated at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/RexxS/Bureaucrat chat. Best regards, Maxim_(talk) 22:08, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In at the deep end eh? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well! Primefac (talk) 19:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, well spoken! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Re your comment about WD in interlanguage links: today I had the sad job of notifying of a friend's death, and even without, am not much into general discussions. Could you perhaps go there? I use the ill template A LOT but so far only for other languages, and I always give only one, because that one will have the others, such as for a French person, I give only fr, for a German person de, and a reader who goes there will see that the person perhaps also has a Spanish article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, Thank you very much for dispelling my concerns. Have thanked you on that very

Always happy to help! Primefac (talk) 10:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are two users, "ChangeTheRulesComrade" and "Emuwren" who are engaged in an edit war on the entry pages for Australian writer Van Badham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Badham) and Secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Sally McManus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_McManus). Their edits relate to adding in a false reference that Van Badham co-authored a book with Sally McManus. This can be seen in the change logs. There is currently a Federal election in Australia, and obviously political activists are attempting to cause trouble by doing this edit. I'm happy to keep an eye on the pages, but would it be possible to have the pages locked? Thanks. Lymantriidae (talk) 12:57, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN3 if they persist. Primefac (talk) 15:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Here is the article - Draft:Jag_Chima

Any pointers would be highly appreciated.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaurav Dhingra PG (talk • contribs) 06:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

reliable sources, the fifth and sixth sources appear to be unreliable. Many thanks, SITH (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC) (talk page stalker)[reply

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So the submission does not, for example, bear any similarity to any of the 33 essays by the celebrated essayists presented in Morley's "Modern Essays", as at: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/38280/38280-h/38280-h.htm

As the article's list of External Sources shows, the issue of Fleecehold has been "hot" in the UK since 2016, and I wrote the submission expecting that Wikipedia would be eager to include an informative entry for the benefit of readers. I am sure the submission could be better as it is rare that any article cannot be improved in some way. However, I am aware that the submission is majorly more informative and helpful than many of the articles which can currently be read in Wikipedia. In terms of formatting, it is possible that the number of endnotes could be reduced by using Wikipedia's method of combining endnotes, but after a month's work on this article I can afford no further time learning how to implement Wikipedia's styles, particularly as it is highly unlikely that I will ever submit another article, given that I have never submitted an article before.

So, please, Primefac, could you make the submission publishable? Or could you, please, facilitate an expert Wikipedian doing whatever is necessary to make the piece publishable as soon as possible?

The submission is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fleecehold#Fleecehold

Lastly, to ensure you fully understand my puzzlement, the following Wikipedia articles, all very recently edited, are longer and more complex than the Fleecehold submission.

An article on a pop-star: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Collins Last edited on 7 April 2019, at 21:15.

An article on a medieval nobleman:

Article on an economic idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism Last edited on 5 April 2019

Article on a religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church Last edited on 31 March 2019

Article on mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology Last edited on 6 March 2019

Please help as best you possibly can, for the benefit of the dissemination of knowledge!

Over the course of many years, I have instructed 100s of students in the art of essay-writing, so I reach out to you in exasperation. (My career has been that of a university lecturer in English Literature, Business English, and Business Communication, my postgraduate qualifications being in Linguistics.) I can do no more for this article, except ask you to take care of it.

Sincerely, Ioscrivo.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ioscrivo (talk • contribs) 14:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]