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Myrcella Baratheon

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XFD created on behalf of User:Aoba47. No reason provided at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion#Myrcella_Baratheon but I have asked User to add the reason to this AFD.

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• Delete No indication of notability. Also, no independent coverage of the subject exists, and she played a pretty minor role in the TV series and is not a POV character in the books either. The only other option would be to redirect it to the list of characters. Keivan.f^Talk 02:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It is easy to find sources which discuss the topic in detail such as The gruesome Game of Thrones death viewers were never shown or Why Myrcella Baratheon Was Recast. The subject therefore passes
  WP:PRESERVE applies. Note also that the page gets substantial readership – up to 5000 per day – and, as its title is quite distinctive, this demonstrates a significant level of interest which is best satisfied with a separate page. Andrew D. (talk) 08:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• I do not think that those two sources alone are enough to establish enough notability for a separate article. The information on her recasting and death scene could easily be sourced and contained within her entry in the list. Further sources would need to be cited to support notability. The character's "distinctive" name is not relevant to the conversation, and page views do not support notability. Aoba47 (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• If you can find further sources though, I would be more than happy to look at them. Aoba47 (talk) 13:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to
  plot info. The recasting problem is not unique to to this character. Prior attempts to discuss the matter have not gone anywhere.[1] The argument that the topic deserves its own article because of the character's unusual name does not even merit a response. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• The point is that the article title and character's name is unique and distinctive. All those many thousands of readers were therefore looking for this particular subject, not some namesake or other topic. Why should we deny them and retrict readership to admins? Andrew D. (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• A unique and distinctive name is not a reason why a character should have a separate article. Neither is page views. It should boil down to is there a significant amount of coverage on the character and I personally do not believe that is not the case. I can only see a limited amount, and it would be more beneficial for you to locate more sources from third-party, reliable sources to support your keep argument. Aoba47 (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This article has had 165,806 views in the past 90 days. Probably far more popular before the character was killed off. Wikipedia claims to be an encyclopedia, but 99% of the people coming to it just read entertainment articles. Anyway, the general notability guidelines are technically met with the significant coverage found in reliable sources provided. Dream Focus 12:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Page views is not a part of WP:GNG and not a strong argument to keep an article. I am not arguing against entertainment articles as I only work with those types of articles with my own projects. The "significant coverage" has not been met, as I can currently only see a limited coverage that justifies the character having an entry on the character list and not a separate article. Aoba47 (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Apologies for all my responses. I will stay out of the conversation and let other editors discuss this. Thank you to everyone who has participated so far. Aoba47 (talk) 14:44, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to List of A Song of Ice and Fire characters. Even the few reliable sources that discuss the character are brief, don't go much beyond plot, and even mention within them what a minor character it was. The character therefore does not have the significant coverage needed to have a standalone article. However, the character does have an entry in the character list, which this should definitely be redirected to, and since that section is currently completely unsourced, those few, minor sources that are present in this article should be merged over. Rorshacma (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to List of A Song of Ice and Fire characters as a non-independently-notable character but one that can merit mention in a list._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep a notable character from a notable mainstream production. Enough Wikipedia readers turn up each day to show that this subject is important to readers. GNG is met by the existence of references. Esquire, Hello Magazine, Hollywood Reporter, Los Angeles Times, And passing mentions in Business Insider and many others. Lightburst (talk) 13:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for the links. Aoba47 (talk) 02:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of those references provide any information that could be used to expand this article beyond simple plot summary. The only one that provides more than

a detailed recounting of the events of the show is Esquire, which is wrong to take an unreliable book narrator's statement that she had her ear cut off as plain fact -- there is almost no "word of god" in ASOIAF. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Thank you for the explanation. Aoba47 (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Lightburst Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 01:38, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:PERX. You need to provide your own rationale, rather than just piggy-backing on another editor whose argument was just waiting to be rebutted. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myrcella Baratheon. The "train wreck" continues
  

WP:NEXIST

covers it.

Hollywood Reporter., and Richardson, Aimee; Day, Patriick Kevin (July 31, 2014). "The actress who played Myrcella Baratheon on the HBO series "Game of Thrones" makes a joke out of her character's recent recasting" (Video). Los Angeles Times., and Renfro, Kim (October 25, 2015). "These 5 'Game of Thrones' characters were recast — and you probably didn't even notice". Business Insider

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The list goes on, and if there had been compliance with

WP:Before

we would not be having this discussion. These sources were can (and should) be added to the article.

Indeed, the article is

WP:Hey, and not what it was when it was proposed for this 2nd deletion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply

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