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advertising while first relist

Hello. In case there is no participation in the first week of an RM, while relisting I notify the related wikiprojects in the hopes of getting more participation. Recently I came across Favonian, who does the same. I was wondering, is there user-script to make that faster? Also, should we make it a protocol/guideline to notify relevant wikiprojects if there is zero, or almost zero participation (one vote, and lots of discussion between OP, and voter; or something similar)? If the discussion here is in favour, then we can take it to VP/PR. —usernamekiran (talk) 09:00, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Usernamekiran: I use User:TheTVExpert/rmCloser, which makes relisting and advertising a lot simpler. Favonian (talk) 09:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thanks Favonian, I added to my common.js Any thoughts on making it a guideline? —usernamekiran (talk) 09:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Positive, in principle, though I wish we had data regarding the rate of success for such notifications. As of today, the case in which we are both involved is not encouraging. Favonian (talk) 10:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I went through my previous contributions, and the results are not much promising. During
WP:RMC, instead of article/TP or wikiproject). A downside of the RM relist notification can be spamming wikiproject talkpages. But given we would only notify them if there is no participation in the first week, I think notifications would not mount enough to be felt as spamming. —usernamekiran (talk) 10:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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A thing I will be doing

First of all, I've noticed that a few to several editors, who help on this page, have been using the summary: "done 1" , or "done 2" , or "done 3" and so on, when removing completed requests from the RM/TR project page. It struck me as a concerted effort to respect and honor AA, A befitting tribute in my opinion, and a thing I am now doing as well. The other thing I intend to start doing is to reply to a technical request with {{

John Cline (talk) 01:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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It would be simpler still to remove the request before actually moving the pages (if you encounter a roadblock such as title blacklist or move protection, just revert yourself; it should be moved to "administrator needed" section anyway). Of course, everyone should follow the same steps to prevent conflicts.
I've actually had "move conflict" while swapping pages two times. It was quite funny actually, because it resulted in reverting the swap previously done by the fellow mover.
No such user (talk) 08:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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I can see how your idea would be more effective (almost full proof). I'm not entirely certain, however, that it would be simpler (in my opinion the jury's still out on that one). I too have conflicted with others as we simaltaioneously handled the same request. I suspect it's happened to most (if not all) of us at one time or another. I do think it would be good for us to become proactive in preventing these eventualities instead of beholding the status quo where they are certain to recur at interval. Best regards.--
John Cline (talk) 10:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Similar thing, but not entirely, has happened to me in the past. After closing an RM on talkpage, I got edit conflict. Apparently another user had moved the page, with intention to close the RM afterwords. I agree with No Such User, it would be a simple solution. But necessary thing is, everybody follows the same practice. —usernamekiran (talk) 10:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how common is this, but I probably also edit-conflicted during a past RM closure. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 22:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RM closers have the additional {{closing}} tag that can be used since some take a significant amount of time to write up adequately. The RM/TRs, though, tend to be much quicker, and simply removing them from the list ahead of the move is probably the better alternative. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:01, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested moves creating links to disambiguation pages

In an earlier discussion - I do not remember where - it was determined that pages movers were not bound to solve the links to disambiguation pages their page move creates. Although I agree with that stance, it makes me unhappy that that effect is now off-loaded to others. Is there a request page (or other option) where these moves can be listed so that a bot operator can pick them up and solve (the bulk of) them? The Banner talk 14:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would be interested to know if there's such a page as well. I usually resolve such inbound links though AWB for the discussions I close, except for when it is too large or takes too much time for me to handle, like after I had done the close for Australian where there were 3-4,000 links. The backlog was however cleared within the day or so when there were at least two other editors working on updating the links as well. – robertsky (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Page movers (in the broad sense of the term) should repoint incoming redirects and fix links in navigation templates, but they aren't otherwise required to fix dab links, though they're encouraged to help if they can (see the second paragraph of
WP:FIXDABLINKS
and its footnote).
The place to ask for help is
WT:DPL. This project's participants are currently quite active and will most likely swipe up any dab links by the end of the next working day even if you don't ask them to. Bots aren't useful unless in exceptional circumstances because fixing links is sensitive to context. – Uanfala (talk) 14:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Recently, a lot of work was done and the list here is now much shorter. But still you have Iranians with 175 incoming links. As far as I can see, page mover do not fix links in templates. I still see a lot of them showing up at the maintenance page. The Banner talk 17:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
page mover do not fix links in template... that's a sweeping statement, but I get you. – robertsky (talk) 17:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, As far as I can see, too often page movers do not fix links in templates.. The Banner talk 17:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just went to
WT:DPL for help with this move close at Show and tell (disambiguation) after reading this talk page section, thanks for the good pointer, folks!! :) — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 15:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Requested move 18 November 2022

Primefac (talk) 14:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Need to update
WP:RMTR
instructions?

For the last few months, I've been seeing a lot of clearly non-technical requests posted at

WP:RMTR. I think that it may be time to provide some kind of essay or instructions explaining what a technical request is and is not, including reasons why some requests that appear to be technical will be contested due to controversial reasons. (And I'm saying this not knowing if I'll have time to write this, but just bring this up in case someone else might feel enthralled to do so.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Personally I'm not convinced an essay would reduce the number of such requests, but could be something to be pointed at in response to such requests. There's already guidance at the top of
WP:RM. For "Administrator needed" requests there is a guide, which is not always looked at by requestors. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Requested move

As an IP I am unable to request a page move (which seems a bit odd), but could someone add to the list (or go ahead and move)

The Shoes of the Fisherman (movie) to The Shoes of the Fisherman (film) in line with the naming conventions? Thanks - 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:6562:A1FC:F7F2:51BF (talk) 16:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Two moves at once?

Is it permissible/possible to operate two RM discussions at the same time for the same article? E.g. request a move of "Article X" to "Article XYZ" and also a move of "Article X" to "Article ABC"? Elizium23 (talk) 20:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just discuss both options in the same RM discussion? -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, we do not permit two RM discussions at the same time. However: the question arises in the context when a RM for one article identified a consistency problem and triggered a bundled RM for multiple related articles (
No such user (talk) 11:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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moving/re-titling the page from Terence Trent D'Arby to Sananda Maitreya.

Move discussion has been opened at Talk:Terence Trent D'Arby § Requested move 4 December 2022. Primefac (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello, we are opening a discussion about moving/re-titling the page from Terence Trent D'Arby to Sananda Maitreya.

We kindly request to have all the content of the page moved in full to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sananda_Maitreya and to have the page renamed to "Sananda Maitreya". Since April 2021 the whole discography has been renamed to Sananda Maitreya and it is correct that also wikipedia follows this worldwide update.

Just as one of many examples please check the very first album Introducing The Hardline on Spotify and on Apple Music. Also please check the italian wikipedia page, which already reflects this.

Thank you very much for your precious help in this matter. Francesca Sananda Maitreya - staff (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, please check
WP:RM#CM to start a discussion to move the article. The request needs to be done at Talk:Terence Trent D'Arby. Let me know if any question. Vpab15 (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Hi, @Sananda Maitreya - staff: Welcome to Wikipedia, there are a few things I'd like you to know:
  • Your username is not in accordance to Wikipedia's policies. Each account must be owned by a single individual. The current username gives the impression that it is an account of the organisation, you can rename your account. Relevant links are shared on your talk page by Uhai.
  • If you have a connection to the subject of any article, personal or professional, you constitute a
    conflict of interest
    , so please avoid to edit the article directly, but feel free to start discussions at the article's talk page. If you need an edit be done, put {{edit request}} right above your request, an independent reviewer will review it and perform the edits if appropriate. Again, relevant links are shared on your talk page.
  • You opened the move request at the wrong place, please follow the instructions by BD2412 below. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@
WP:RM#CM, to request this page move, click on the "New section" (or "Add topic") tab of Talk:Terence Trent D'Arby
, without adding a new subject/header, inserting the following:
{{subst:requested move|Sananda Maitreya|reason=Since April 2021 the whole discography has been renamed to Sananda Maitreya and it is correct that also wikipedia follows this worldwide update. Just as one of many examples please check the very first album Introducing The Hardline on [https://open.spotify.com/album/6K0ySLloZibpwuTsVe7fxS Spotify] and on [https://music.apple.com/gb/album/introducing-the-hardline-according-to-remastered/1632646636 Apple Music]. Also please check the [[:it:Sananda_Maitreya|italian wikipedia page]], which already reflects this.}}

Cheers! BD2412 T 16:35, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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